Re: [s-d] Re: [auto] Antonio votes

[Antonio Dolcetta <zagarna@xxxxxxxxx>]

Peter Cooper Jr. wrote:
> Antonio Dolcetta <zagarna@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > it's not very clear if the pens in the pen pack are held by you or by
> > the pen pack or by both (but then you're holding the pen pack that
> > holds the pens and it gets terribly confusing and my brain goes on a
> > loop)
>
> Well, as I stated sometime earlier this nweek (I think Triller brought
> up the same confusion), I was assuming the holding an object wasn't
> transitive, as there was nothing in the rules saying that it was. If
> that's the case though, then the Torch doesn't work right, since it
> describes the room that the Torch is in, not the room that the object
> holding the torch is in.

I don't see what the problem with torches is, you will always be able to 
say in which room the torch is, and that's the room that gets the 
effects. It doesn't matter if the torch is in someone's possession or not.

As to the transitiveness of holding I could say that it's also not 
non-transitive, and once you hold an object you will not let go of it 
unless explicitly stated. If you read it like that your proposal would 
allow players to count the pens in their pen-packs as normal pens for 
the voting process and get away with 2 more proposals than other players 
(which is not actually that terrible, it's just an example of how 
fragile these object rules are)

> We probably ought to settle this soon somehow.

Yes, we better get all this fixed up and solid before moving on to fancy 
stuff affecting voting and other core mechanisms.

> > is it actually stated somewhere that objects can be held only by one
> > object at a time ?
>
> No. In fact, for some objects, such as ministries, the object *is*
> held by more than one object at a time.

more fuel for the "pen packs let you propose 2 times more and keep the 
pens to boot" argument

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	Antonio
    http://gelo.dolcetta.net
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