Bryan Donlan on Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:27:11 -0600 (CST)

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Re: [s-d] Re: [auto] BeeDee submits p1976

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:48:06 +0000, Jeremy Cook <athena@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 03:50:00PM -0500, Peter Cooper Jr. wrote:
> > Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > Currently the interaction of r10 and r11 seems to be to make all rules
> > > in all rulebooks active. In any case; you can either say r10 only has
> > > power because of itself, which leads to a paradox, or you can say that
> > > r10 gains its power from being in the Rules, in which case it isn't
> > > needed.
> >
> > Well, I'd be inclined to lean toward the first position there at the
> > moment. Saying that the rules work because the rules say they do may
> > be a paradox, but it doesn't seem to hurt anything to me. (And the
> > game exists, after all, merely because the players say it exists,
> > although the game determines who is a player. Just because something
> > is a paradox doesn't mean it won't work.)
> Well, it's not a logical contradiction. It's just that we need to
> accept r10's authority on our own before we use its authority to
> accept its authority.
> >
> > On the other hand, if there's no distinction between parts of the game
> > that must be followed and parts of the game that aren't (as would be
> > the case if r10 weren't there, I think), then why must I follow a
> > given rule and yet I'm not compelled to follow instructions embedded
> > in somebody's name (to give a wild example)?
> Or, why is it that I can't say, "Zarpint gets 100000 points" and
> have it have the force of Rule?
> The only redundant part of r10 is the part that tells us to
> follow r10. The rest gives us an important distinction. Maybe we
> should change it to, "All game entities must abide by all the
> Rules in effect except r10..."

If we do that, then r10 is explicitly stating that it is powerless,
which is different from not indicating whether it has power. And that
would be equivalent to repealing it.

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