Orc In A Spacesuit on 27 Apr 2003 23:40:01 -0000


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Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Who wins? 

From: Rob Speer <rspeer@xxxxxxx>
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:54:45PM -0500, Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
Really? Where? I see where it says rules can only be changed/created as explictly or implicity described /anywhere/ in the ruleset (R11 & R18), and I see one explicitly described way to change the rules (R15.G), but nowhere does it say that this is the only way to create a rule. The circuit breaker (R851) creates rules too. R578, as I showed elsewhere, implicity descibes a way. 

Of course there are other ways to change the rules in the ruleset. I
don't know what you were searching for, but the Circuit Breaker rule has the text "Create a rule" in it. 

R578 says nothing about creating rules, explicitly or implicitly. It
talks about the rules that govern a society, but then it says this:

"The mere fact that the rules of a Club may allow, or even force, a
player to take an action does not make that action legal within the
rules of B Nomic."


Umm, the actual current text, is this:
"No society can force or directly cause its members to do anything, unless otherwise explicitly stated by the rules. Any member of a society may leave it at any time, ceasing to be a member of that society. If a society has no members, it disbands itself."
The text you quote was removed in Prop 784, __Less is More: Clubs__, in nweek 18, and no longer applies.
Personally, I'd love someone to definitively prove that what I attempted did not happen, so we can move foreward. But it hasn't happened so far. And if there is a loophole, I'd rather I be the one using it, which is why I attempted all this stuff in the first place. 

Orc in a Spacesuit

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