Re: [eia] I still have a problem

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Danny has told us that he did indeed have a Spanish corps marker purchased
which he did not place.  I don't see how, however, a Swedish corps could be
placed outside of Sweden without a friendly (i.e. Spanish or Swedish) corps
being there already.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] I still have a problem


>     Thanks Jim.  So that issue is settled on a 4-3 vote.  Now the question
> remains whether Spain had purchased an extra corps marker that they did
not
> place.  (Or alternatively, could Spain have placed the new Swedish corps
in
> Cartegena.)  If either or both of these conditions is satisfied, then the
> Spanish declaration of war on Morocco stands.
>
> kdh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Helle" <jhelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] I still have a problem
>
>
> > Hmmm.  Well, per 4.2.2.3 it must be physically "possible for the
declaring
> > major power to enter the minor country's territory during the turn".  It
> may
> > have been unintentional on the part of the rules to exclude factors
coming
> > on the board, but the fact is that these forces were NOT excluded.
> > Therefore by the letter of the rules, if not the spirit, it is my
opinion
> > that the DoW is legal.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eia] I still have a problem
> >
> >
> > >     So at this point we seem to be split right down the middle on this
> > > issue.  JJ, Danny, and I are for having eligible corps on the map at
the
> > > time of the declaration.  Mike, Everett, and Joel are for simply
having
> > the
> > > potential to produce a corps that could be placed in a position to
make
> it
> > > eligible to attack.  I guess it's up to you Jim.  Which ruling do you
> > > prefer?
> > >
> > > kdh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Danny Mount" <mount.23@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:25 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [eia] I still have a problem
> > >
> > >
> > > > For my two sense, I agree with Mike that we should contact each
other
> > > before
> > > > Political Orders are sent in so we don't get into an endless loop of
> on
> > > > again off again.
> > > >
> > > > As for the Declaration of War, I agree with JJ that our forces
should
> > > > already be on the map.  Again, I made the mistake of thinking that
my
> > > fleet
> > > > could go to a city and pick up a corps and then move again.  My
> mistake.
> > > >
> > > > -DEM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: eia-admin@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-admin@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > > > Michael Gorman
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:54 AM
> > > > To: eia@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [eia] I still have a problem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 06:21 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >     Again, I don't care much about this and am willing to concede.
> If
> > > you
> > > > >guys want to do combined movement separate from the escrow, I can
> live
> > > with
> > > > >that.
> > > > >
> > > > >kdh
> > > >
> > > > I'm not entirely comfortable with the us too email, nor am I happy
> with
> > > > requiring Austria to combine with everyone Prussia combines with in
> > order
> > > > to combine with Prussia.  That Prussia didn't offer to combine with
> > > Austria
> > > > and has stated he meant to do that makes the current turn less
> important
> > > to
> > > > me but I very much wanted Prussia and Austria to make their decision
> > > > without knowing if I was combined with France.  If they can alter
> their
> > > > combined movement phase after knowing mine, then I would want to be
> able
> > > to
> > > > alter mine after they alter theirs which in turn should allow them
to
> > > alter
> > > > theirs after I alter mine in response to them altering theirs and so
> > > > on.  We can get into an endless recursion of combined movement
phases
> if
> > > > the results of knowing what someone else is doing will alter what
you
> > do.
> > > >
> > > > In this turn, if Austria and Prussia are not combined, I want to
> combine
> > > > with France.  If they are combined, I have to really think about it.
> I
> > > > took a shot at hoping Austria wouldn't risk going into instability
and
> > > > getting potentially screwed in an economic phase and would wait a
turn
> > to
> > > > declare war.  They didn't wait, but their lack of combined movement
is
> > > very
> > > > important to me.  If they can alter that after declaration, then I
> want
> > to
> > > > be able to respond to that alteration and cannot really say they
can't
> > > > respond in kind.  So, depending on what their plans are, combined
> > movement
> > > > phase will continue forever if we allow changes after revealing
> > > declaration.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
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