Re: [spoon-discuss] Step one on the road to InterNomic II

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 09:38  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> > Wow, Nomtella. :P What about the United Nomics? Kind of like 
> > InterNomic, but
> > the members can do things behind its back, like invading other Nomics 
> > for
> > suspected weapons treaty violations? ;)
>
> -You've managed to hit it right on the head. What I'm looking for is 
> /not/ a centralized InterNomic, but a more flexible web, which better 
> mirrors the real world. The idea of a global police organization which 
> sets the ideas for the world is far newer and less successful than the 
> idea of no two sets of international relations being alike, with 
> trade, subterfuge, sneak attacks, secret deals and alliances, and so 
> on, all existing according only to the rules of those who are 
> participating in them. And that invasion thing - that might happen. If 
> another Nomic steals our stuff, we could organize a coalition to take 
> them down. Why not?-

Because it takes no effort for them to stop us?

You seem to think that we can force other Nomics to do what we want; 
you seem even to think that we can invade them at any time if we 
choose. But we can't. They don't need us nor our rules; if we bother 
them, they can choose to ignore us. And there's nothing we can do about 
it. For us to declare war on a nomic would be like a Magic player 
casting a Lightning Bolt at a player in a nearby game of chess - the 
chess player doesn't care about the bolt, she just ignores it, and the 
Bolter can't do a thing about it. Likewise, if we declare that our 
invading armies trample another Nomic's rules and beat them into the 
ground, they can simply ignore us, as we are not a part of their 
gamestate unless they allow us to be.

If internomic trading is to occur, it must be something beneficial to 
all Nomics involved; if they don't like it, they don't have to play.

> > Hm... The only other active nomic I know about is Agora, and I'm not 
> > even sure
> > where that is... Most of the ones on the Wiki, last time I looked, had
> > out-of-date entries.
>
> -Then look under "active games" at the Wiki. Let's see...
> Agora Nomic
> Blog Nomic (open only to bloggers)

Still possible... someone just needs a blog.

> Civ3 Democracy Game (active but strange)

It's hard to tell whether this actually is a Nomic...

> ErgoNomic (I think - hard to tell)

Definitely active. And high-tech. They're the ones with a sourceforge 
site for their Nomic engine.

> Live Journal Nomic (closed at the moment)

But they're active.

> No-Name Nomic (status unknown - I don't speak German)

Could be active, but I fear the language barrier will prevent trading.

> Nomicron (active but slow... they welcome new players, though - 8 new 
> ones in March)
> Pustic (might be active, but the web site is down at the moment)

NomiPo and Pustic both look like they never really got started... I 
think we can dismiss them.

> Ruby-Nomic (apparently, one of its players logged on 3 hours ago)
> YibMOO *N:Tangle (might be alive, but I don't have telnet or a MOO 
> client, so I can't tell)

Telnetting to it, I see a few players who are active... but I can't 
seem to find anything resembling a ruleset. It seems to be more of a 
programming funhouse...

> So, that's between 5 and 10 other Nomics on Nomic Wiki alone. I'm sure 
> there are more out there, we just have to find them.-

FRC is open... though I'm not sure what we could possibly offer them 
that would fit in with eir ruleset...

--
Wonko

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