Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] The Daily Recognizer (Thursday evening)

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: Glotmorf <nomicmorf@xxxxxxxxx>
> --- Orc In A Spacesuit <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > On 4/3/03 at 9:58 PM David E. Smith wrote:
> > > > Orc moves on the Grid, picking up a Bonus Box
> > > > (ooh! Shiny! +25 pts).
> > >
> > > Mr. A...Orc in a Spacesuit cannot move to eir new
> > > location, as e is inside the new siren's ZATR.
> >
> > Well, no, I couldn't walk away.  But I could
> > certainly stare wistfully at the Siren while I kick the throttle foreward. 
> >  Hence that fix prop I made.
>
> I thought the purpose of your prop was to stop me from
> using my remote to fly my speeder away with me in it
> where I wouldn't ordinarily be able to move away.

No.  I do not tend to direct props at other players or societies, even if I 
think such might be a good idea.  Otherwise, you would have seen props to 
yank out Iain, neuter M-Tek and vSOI (and now WBE), and more, within the 
first month of me joining.  But I prefer to bring about change in way that's 
benficial to all, and soften the negative effects on anyone as much as 
possible.  For example, I'd like to see gnome production be seperated from 
vSOI in the rules, but in any prop doing so, I'd make sure vSOI received a 
"Gnome Machine" or whatever that would let them continue their activities, 
for free.

> R301 says, "If it is not the Tango Season, Players in
> a Siren's ZOE may only move to other Grid Squares in
> that Siren's ZOE, and Players in a Siren's ZATR may
> only move to Grid squares in that Siren's ZATR or Grid
> squares in that Siren's ZOE."  Its use of the word
> "move" suggests it doesn't differentiate moving by
> walking from moving by flying.
>
> R1071 says, "If a player moves in an Airspeeder, e may
> not move while not in that Airspeeder for the rest of
> the nweek." I'd say that context means moving is
> moving, and whether or not one is in an airspeeder
> only dictates how much.

Irrelevant.  "If a player is in an Airspeeder which e owns, e may cause that 
Airspeeder to Move to an adjacent, legal location."  "A player who is in an 
Airspeeder is considered to be at the location of the airspeeder. If an 
Airspeeder takes a move, all objects in it are moved with it."  It says 
"moves in an airspeeder", not "is moved with an airspeeder".  It's a bug.

This is a case of sloppy writing and the general ruleset's confusion of the 
terms "causes emself to change location" and "is forcefully propelled to 
some other location", by calling them both "move".  This particular issue is 
part of what got me started on that uber-prop thing; it's also fully 
addressed in the completed races prop(s).

On the Races Prop(s):  It's been done, been done for a few days.  I broke it 
into individual chunks, each addressing a different area (movement, carrying 
stuff, performing actions, combat, and new stuff), so we can consider them 
seperatly.  I've been holding off on sending it out, as we've got a lot on 
the table already, and it appears some players have been inactive a little 
bit recently and will have enough to look over when they check their nomic 
mail again.  So I'm keeping the prop(s) until we get the results of this 
nweek's votes, and I make whatever tweaks are necessary as a result of props 
passing.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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