Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Here's another one:

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 10/7/02 at 4:25 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>> --- Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Quoth Glotmorf,
>>>
>>>> On 10/6/02 at 11:26 AM Wonko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I create another society, entitled __Wonko gets
>>> points__, with the
>>>>> following
>>>>> initial members: Wonko
>>>>> And the following Charter:
>>>>> {{
>>>>> Members of "Wonko gets points" may gain points by
>>> declaring that they do so
>>>>> in a public forum.
>>>>> }}
>>>>>
>>>>> I create 1000 points in my possession.
>>>>>
>>>>> [[Why is this legal, you ask? Because the Society
>>> rule says that, "A
>>>>> Society
>>>>> may convey certain privileges, restrictions or
>>> responsibilities to its
>>>>> Members, subject to the rules of the game". Well,
>>> there's no rule that
>>>>> actually forbids societies from giving me the
>>> privilege of creating points,
>>>>> so it turns out that it's perfectly legal.
>>> Whee!]]
>>>>
>>>> Societies' rules defer to game rules.  The default
>>> case says you can't change
>>>> the game state.  So even if the society charter
>>> says you can gain points, you
>>>> can't change the game state in that way.
>>>
>>> The default case says that I can't change the
>>> gamestate without another
>>> rule's permission. The Society rule itself gives me
>>> this permission, by
>>> saying that societies may grant priveleges to their
>>> members.
>>>
>>> Sorry, guy. ;)
>>
>> That's subsection A that says privileges may be
>> granted.  Subsection B says internal rules defer to
>> game rules.  So Rule 33 says B overrides A.
>>
>> Sorry, guy. :)
>
>So internal rules defer to game rules. Nowhere does it say that players may
>not create points. It does say that I can't change the gamestate without
>another rule's permission, but section A gives me that permission. So
>Section B doesn't have anything to force me to defer to.
>
>Got anything else?

That internal rules are differentiated from game rules suggests the use of the word "rule" in the default case is subject to interpretation.  Since the default case is at the game rule level, and defers to all other rules in its own context, while sub B of the society rule says internal rules defer to game rules, that would suggest internal rules defer to the default case and everything it defers to.

						Glotmorf


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