Re: [eia] [escrow] July 1806 Political Orders

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>]

    The rule that Mike quoted below seems quite clear that there is no way 
to force France to exit Prussian territory.  All that denying him voluntary 
access does is tell him that he can't come back if he ever chooses to leave. 
(Of course, it also stops new corps who were never there from coming up to 
join the old ones.)
    I think it was JJ, though, who asked a very important question.  What if 
French forces in the eastern (denied) portion of Prussia decide to venture 
into Austria?  Would those forces be allowed to return to France via the 
provinces of Prussia to which access has been denied?  My first instinct was 
to say no, once they leave Prussia they cannot return.  But then I 
considered my answer to the same question if French forces entered Russia 
instead.  If France were using access to Prussia to invade Russia and 
suddenly access were rescinded, France would still be able to invade Russia 
and return via Prussia.  So the same logic should apply to Austria.  If 
French forces use Prussia as a launching point for an invasion of Austria, 
they should still be able to return to France via Prussia (i.e. by the same 
route) if they so choose.
    So, denying access to forces that are already in your country is 
basically toothless.  There's no time-limit by which they have to leave. 
And the rule that Mike states clearly says that they must be given the same 
conditions of access until they do leave by the same route they entered.  So 
it seems to me that the only conditions under which access is rescinded to a 
corps that entered another major power under voluntary access is a) if it 
leaves the country the way it came, and b) if it re-enters its home country 
by some other means.  (Once you're home, you're home.)

kdh


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gorman" <mpgorman@xxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [eia] [escrow] July 1806 Political Orders


> At 07:10 AM 7/25/2006, you wrote:
>>Posen is prevented, access has been denied.
>>Masovia province is where Napoleon is, he can stay there, going North and
>>back into Russia, but supply might be a problem.
>>
>>Of course he can go into Austria, with whom he's at war.
>>
>>What about the two depot in East Prussia - since access has been denied,
>>what happens to the depot there?
>>
>>The supply situation could get acute...
>
> 10.3.1.2.1.2: Forces may not be granted voluntary access to move through a
> major power's territory and then denied permission to return by the same
> route and under the same conditions.
>
> Napoleon entered Prussia under access to all of Prussia without conditions
> and thus cannot be denied permission to return under the same
> conditions.  You aren't allowed to let someone in and then cut them off by
> saying they can't go back.  Once he heads west, he can't go back east 
> since
> he no longer has access to that area however.
>
> Similarly, he can't force me to remove my depots that have been placed
> under access agreements.
>
> The only kick them out rule is declare war.  Once you let someone put 
> their
> forces into and through your country it takes an act of war to betray them
> completely.
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