Re: Fw: [eia] Turkish econ phase, Dec. '05

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>]

    Personally, I don't care when the cossack leaves.  That can wait until
the January movement phases as far as I'm concerned.  (You could think of it
as the cossack being much more mobile than the newly formed corps and
evading it for a week or two - kind of like a guerilla.)  However, with
regard to the depot, I can't justify how the depot would avoid capture.  It
would be immediately converted or destroyed upon arrival of enemy troops.
That is my view.

kdh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [eia] Turkish econ phase, Dec. '05


> 1.)  Here we have two competing principles.  On the one hand, a cossack
must
> have an attack declared upon it to be displaced, which Joel says shouldn't
> happen outside of Turkey's land phase.  On the other hand, the rules says
that
> when a corps enters a new map area, it _must_ initiate an attack on any
> unbesieged corps, friekorps, or cossacks in that area.
>
> There are precedents for attacks to be made outside of the land or naval
> phase, triggered by events in the political or economic phases.  Two
examples
> I can think of would be a) in the last game, where the mixed
British/Spanish
> garrison at Gibraltar fought each other in the political phase when the
two
> powers went to war, and b) if a minor country or province changed hands,
and a
> fleet in one of its ports was forced to leave and attack a blockade.
>
> 2.)  A similar argument could be made for a newly-placed feudal corps
> destroying or converting an undefended depot, I think.  Also, it doesn't
make
> sense to me that the Turkish corps would have to leave the area and return
> during the land phase to convert the depot.  But that seems to be the
> implication if the depot is not destroyed/converted as soon as the corps
> appears.  If the destruction/convertion doesn't happen immediately, when
would
> it happen ?  Would the Turkish corps have to spend the entire next land
phase
> in the depot's area, or leave it and return, in order to take the enemy
depot
> out ?  BTW, I believe the same would hold true for a newly-placed cossack
> destroying an undefended Turkish depot.
>
> And, unfortunately, it seems clear to me that since maintenance is paid
before
> anyone's Levy step, Russia would have paid the $1 for the depot before it
was
> converted.  So after some careful thought, I ended up agreeing with Kyle's
> interpretation on all the issues raised (which actually wasn't how I
started
> when I first read Joel's email).  So that's my opinion.
>
> -JJY
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eia] Turkish econ phase, Dec. '05
> >
> >
> > > Thus spake "Kyle H":
> > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > J. Levy Step:
> > > > A new inf. corps appears in the northernmost space of Bulgaria.
(The =
> > > > appearance of a new corps in that space will displace the cossack
that =
> > > > is there, if that cossack remains after Russia's levy step.)
> > > > A new inf. corps appears at Alexandretta and converts the undefended
=
> > > > Russian depot there to a Turkish depot.
> > > > A new inf. corps appears at Salonika.
> > > > A new inf. corps appears in the mountainous area south of Nish.
> > > > A new cav. corps appears in the forest area NW of Adrianople.
> > >
> > > I have two questions about this that occurred to me only now:
> > >
> > > 1. Why is the cossack in Bulgaria displaced? I think it remains there,
> > > since the feudal corps is not entering that area during movement.
> > >
> > > 2. Can the depot at Alexandretta be converted? Again, this isn't part
of
> > > movement, as 7.3.6.1 seems to require. And if the depot can be
converted,
> > > when exactly does it happen, before or after I pay maintenance on it?
> > >
> > > --
> > > J.
> > >
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