| Kyle H on 24 Nov 2003 21:59:19 -0000 |
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| Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar |
This is all coming from the errata rules which state that under certain conditions, access *is* revoked. (Since you said you've been wading through emails, maybe you missed it.) But in the case at hand, the point is moot. After being confused for a little while, I now accept that everything has been done correctly. kdh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gorman" <mpgorman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > I'm not sure where this whole thing is coming from. Troops placed under > access cannot have their access voluntarily revoked. So they had access to > be there that can't be revoked and then war was declared so they have access > under war. That you'd pick up your troops and go home when you declare war > on the place you occupy doesn't make any sense at all. > > > But doesn't a power achieve "access" as soon as they declare war (in the > > sense that they may now legally move forces into the defender's territory) > ? > > So in my view, the only time when access could have been cut off was in > the > > turn after the breaking of the alliance, but before war was declared. And > > if we vote down option 12.8, this wasn't a problem, either. > > > > But if the majority disagrees, then the effect would be to remove the > > British depots in Spain, repatriate the 1 Spanish milita in Gibraltar, and > > un-capture the 1 Portuguese I in Gibraltar. Is that correct ? > > > > -JJY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > I was imagining that repatriation would have to take place as soon > as > > GB > > > declared war on Spain. Even if we get rid of 12.8, there is still no > way > > to > > > have voluntary access when two countries are at war. > > > I guess it is a question of how broadly we want to interpret the > > errata > > > rule. The errata rule only specifically refers to situations in which > > > control of territory has changed. I was suggesting that the > > interpretation > > > should be extended so that it applies whenever the conditions for > > voluntary > > > access no longer exist. When GB declares war on Spain, the conditions > for > > > voluntary access would no longer exist between Spain and GB, triggering > > the > > > repatriation. But perhaps my interpretation of the errata rule is too > > > loose. If we don't want to go down that road, that's fine by me. > > > > > > kdh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > I see now that Kyle was referring to any backtracking that would be > > > arranged > > > > between Danny and myself. But as I said before, I would want to > > backtrack > > > > only if the group decides to keep option 12.8 (and there are 3 votes > > > against > > > > that already). Only in those circumstances would the British forces > > have > > > > been repatriated from Spain in August. > > > > > > > > -JJY > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Spanish can neither give nor receive honors of war, so I don't > > know > > > > what > > > > > else could happen. > > > > > > > > > > -JJY > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> > > > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:45 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it looks as if the Portuguese garrison at Gibralter > > surrenders > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > Spanish militia (unless GB and Spain make other arrangements). > > > > > > > > > > > > kdh > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dice server" <dice-admin@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: "Danny Mount" <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > Cc: <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dice rolls requested by: Danny Mount <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Rolls also sent to: > > > > > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # 1 Spanish Militia > > > > > > > # 2.0 morale > > > > > > > # 3 rolls at 5-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. of sides on every die: 6 > > > > > > > No. of dice for every roll: 1 > > > > > > > No. of dice rolls requested: 3 > > > > > > > No. of rolls per line: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Information on the dice server: > > > > > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! 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