| Michael Gorman on 24 Nov 2003 16:15:14 -0000 |
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| Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar |
I'm not sure where this whole thing is coming from. Troops placed under access cannot have their access voluntarily revoked. So they had access to be there that can't be revoked and then war was declared so they have access under war. That you'd pick up your troops and go home when you declare war on the place you occupy doesn't make any sense at all. > But doesn't a power achieve "access" as soon as they declare war (in the > sense that they may now legally move forces into the defender's territory) ? > So in my view, the only time when access could have been cut off was in the > turn after the breaking of the alliance, but before war was declared. And > if we vote down option 12.8, this wasn't a problem, either. > > But if the majority disagrees, then the effect would be to remove the > British depots in Spain, repatriate the 1 Spanish milita in Gibraltar, and > un-capture the 1 Portuguese I in Gibraltar. Is that correct ? > > -JJY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > I was imagining that repatriation would have to take place as soon as > GB > > declared war on Spain. Even if we get rid of 12.8, there is still no way > to > > have voluntary access when two countries are at war. > > I guess it is a question of how broadly we want to interpret the > errata > > rule. The errata rule only specifically refers to situations in which > > control of territory has changed. I was suggesting that the > interpretation > > should be extended so that it applies whenever the conditions for > voluntary > > access no longer exist. When GB declares war on Spain, the conditions for > > voluntary access would no longer exist between Spain and GB, triggering > the > > repatriation. But perhaps my interpretation of the errata rule is too > > loose. If we don't want to go down that road, that's fine by me. > > > > kdh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > I see now that Kyle was referring to any backtracking that would be > > arranged > > > between Danny and myself. But as I said before, I would want to > backtrack > > > only if the group decides to keep option 12.8 (and there are 3 votes > > against > > > that already). Only in those circumstances would the British forces > have > > > been repatriated from Spain in August. > > > > > > -JJY > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > The Spanish can neither give nor receive honors of war, so I don't > know > > > what > > > > else could happen. > > > > > > > > -JJY > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> > > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:45 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it looks as if the Portuguese garrison at Gibralter > surrenders > > to > > > > the > > > > > Spanish militia (unless GB and Spain make other arrangements). > > > > > > > > > > kdh > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dice server" <dice-admin@xxxxxxx> > > > > > To: "Danny Mount" <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > Cc: <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dice rolls requested by: Danny Mount <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > Rolls also sent to: > > > > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > # 1 Spanish Militia > > > > > > # 2.0 morale > > > > > > # 3 rolls at 5-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > No. of sides on every die: 6 > > > > > > No. of dice for every roll: 1 > > > > > > No. of dice rolls requested: 3 > > > > > > No. of rolls per line: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > Information on the dice server: > > > > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! 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