| J.J. Young on 23 Nov 2003 15:42:54 -0000 |
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| Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar |
But doesn't a power achieve "access" as soon as they declare war (in the sense that they may now legally move forces into the defender's territory) ? So in my view, the only time when access could have been cut off was in the turn after the breaking of the alliance, but before war was declared. And if we vote down option 12.8, this wasn't a problem, either. But if the majority disagrees, then the effect would be to remove the British depots in Spain, repatriate the 1 Spanish milita in Gibraltar, and un-capture the 1 Portuguese I in Gibraltar. Is that correct ? -JJY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > I was imagining that repatriation would have to take place as soon as GB > declared war on Spain. Even if we get rid of 12.8, there is still no way to > have voluntary access when two countries are at war. > I guess it is a question of how broadly we want to interpret the errata > rule. The errata rule only specifically refers to situations in which > control of territory has changed. I was suggesting that the interpretation > should be extended so that it applies whenever the conditions for voluntary > access no longer exist. When GB declares war on Spain, the conditions for > voluntary access would no longer exist between Spain and GB, triggering the > repatriation. But perhaps my interpretation of the errata rule is too > loose. If we don't want to go down that road, that's fine by me. > > kdh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > I see now that Kyle was referring to any backtracking that would be > arranged > > between Danny and myself. But as I said before, I would want to backtrack > > only if the group decides to keep option 12.8 (and there are 3 votes > against > > that already). Only in those circumstances would the British forces have > > been repatriated from Spain in August. > > > > -JJY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > The Spanish can neither give nor receive honors of war, so I don't know > > what > > > else could happen. > > > > > > -JJY > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> > > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > So it looks as if the Portuguese garrison at Gibralter surrenders > to > > > the > > > > Spanish militia (unless GB and Spain make other arrangements). > > > > > > > > kdh > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dice server" <dice-admin@xxxxxxx> > > > > To: "Danny Mount" <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > Cc: <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:01 PM > > > > Subject: [eia] Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dice rolls requested by: Danny Mount <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > Rolls also sent to: > > > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > # 1 Spanish Militia > > > > > # 2.0 morale > > > > > # 3 rolls at 5-1 > > > > > > > > > > No. of sides on every die: 6 > > > > > No. of dice for every roll: 1 > > > > > No. of dice rolls requested: 3 > > > > > No. of rolls per line: 1 > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > 6 > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > Information on the dice server: > > > > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! > > > > > Replies to dice-admin@xxxxxxx vanish into a seldom-read mailbox. > > > > > > > > > > For instructions on using the dice server, send a message with > > > > > subject "help" to dice@xxxxxxx, or see http://www.pbm.com/dice/ > > > > > > > > > > The dice server is provided by: > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Island Games > > > > > http://www.pbm.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original message follows: > > > > > > Return-Path: <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > Delivered-To: dice@xxxxxxx > > > > > > Received: (qmail 18731 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 > > > 01:01:22 -0000 > > > > > > Received: from mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu (128.146.216.42) > > > > > > by h42-rt.sv.meer.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 01:01:22 -0000 > > > > > > Received: from danny (ts16-10.homenet.ohio-state.edu > > [140.254.113.81]) > > > > > > by mail-mta2.service.ohio-state.edu > > > > > > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) > > > > > > with SMTP id <0HOS00LS25HDBY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > for > > > > > > dice@xxxxxxx; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:00:51 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:02:58 -0500 > > > > > > From: Danny Mount <mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > Subject: a > > > > > > To: dice@xxxxxxx > > > > > > Message-id: <GHEMIFLFPDPBKCIGAFAAAEIBCMAA.mount.23@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > MIME-version: 1.0 > > > > > > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > > > > > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > Importance: Normal > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > > > > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > > > > > > > > > > > #P eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > #S 6 > > > > > > #D 1 > > > > > > #R 3 > > > > > > #L 1 > > > > > > #C 1 Spanish Militia > > > > > > #C 2.0 morale > > > > > > #C 3 rolls at 5-1 > > > > > > #T Battle in Gibraltar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: 2.6.3ia > > > > > Charset: noconv > > > > > > > > > > iQCVAwUBP8AG5T8NitsTFjcVAQENmgP/S5Apt9y4JWV0W3g7hGNmvNfRUoWJ0aOf > > > > > JlrFo0pGQerFIp2gp34hvEziAO9wQS9TjgHAmugZtu7sz7rgxI+acEI8n0dC0wG3 > > > > > rJJDL+JSKNaTTzWa3kYAtEgMBAsVDVz3NNPeKbplTNoL9jqfaFuHAgGBRKW5vV+a > > > > > x6XcZYpGQBg= > > > > > =NkLX > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > eia mailing list > > > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > eia mailing list > > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > eia mailing list > > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > eia mailing list > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > > > _______________________________________________ > eia mailing list > eia@xxxxxxxxx > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > _______________________________________________ eia mailing list eia@xxxxxxxxx http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia