Re: [eia] Sea Supply

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I would say that the fleet in Barcelona would connect Stockholm to
Barcelona, and that same fleet in Barcelona connects Barcelona to Naples.
So the reinforcement could take place.  There's nothing that says
reinforcement through sea supply can be done only in one step.  I see no
difference between this and a regular chain of 3 depots on land.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply


>     Let me make sure I understand.  Joel says that Danny would need to
have
> a fleet either in a Swedish port or in the port at Naples in order to
> receive reinforcements.  This is due to the language in 7.4.3.1 that says
> the fleet has to be in a port which is a supply source.  Since both ports
> are supply sources, the wording is satisfied.  I think I get that much.
>     But let me try out a hypothetical.  Suppose Spain had a fleet at
> Barcelona and depots at Barcelona, Naples, and Stockholm.  Am I correct in
> thinking that in that case, the rules would not be satisfied?  (Because
> neither the port in Sweden nor the port at Naples contains a fleet, the
two
> ports are not connected via sea supply.  Hence, no reinforcements could
> arrive.)
>
> Is this correct?
>
> kdh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
>
>
> > What Joel has said here is exactly what I was thinking, and my reasoning
> for
> > giving Danny the advice that I did.  Any dissenters ?
> >
> > -JJY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
> >
> >
> > > Thus spake Danny Mount:
> > > > Hi everyone.  Recently I've been trying to interpret the sea supply
> > > > rules in 7.4.3.1, particularly as they apply to reinforcing a minor
> > country
> > > > corps.  7.4.3.1 says, "In order to trace supply across sea areas
there
> > must
> > > > be on of a major power's depots in each of the two friendly
controlled
> > ports
> > > > or port areas between which supply is to be traced.  At least one of
> > these
> > > > ports must contain a fleet(s) of the major power and/or an ally and
> that
> > > > port must be a supply source or be able to trace a valid supply
chain
> > via
> > > > depots to a supply source."  This is the rule that we recently
> > discovered
> > > > that we had been applying incorrectly.  What we discovered was that
a
> > fleet
> > > > must be in the port which is the supply source, not just any port.
> > > >
> > > >     Keeping this rule in mind, I am wondering what has to happen in
> > order to
> > > > receive Swedish reinforcements directly in my Swedish corps (which
are
> > > > currently in Naples).  The relevant rule for this is 5.2.2.2.3.3
which
> > > > states, "Minor free states may receive their factors in the same way
> > [i.e.,
> > > > by being on or next to a depot in a valid supply chain], but *must
> trace
> > a
> > > > supply line (of their controlling major power) back to a supply
source
> > in
> > > > their minor country*."  This last line has me wondering whether the
> > depot in
> > > > Sweden would have to have a fleet with it in order for my Swedish
> corps
> > to
> > > > receive reinforcements.
> > > >
> > > >     I have asked JJ about this, and he thinks that the Swedish port
> does
> > > > *not* need to have a fleet in it to satisfy these rules.  He
believes
> > that
> > > > the supply source for the purpose of sea supply could be in Spain
> while
> > the
> > > > supply source in Sweden is just another depot in the chain.  I am
> happy
> > with
> > > > that interpretation, but I just want to make sure that everyone else
> > sees
> > > > the rules the same way.  Basically, I just want to make sure that no
> one
> > is
> > > > going to tell me later on that I can't do what I thought I could do.
> So
> > if
> > > > anyone sees these rules differently (and believes that I *would*
need
> a
> > > > fleet in a Swedish port in order to receive reinforcements), please
> > speak
> > > > now or forever hold your peace.
> > > >
> > > > Danny
> > >
> > > If you have depots in Stockholm and Naples, and a fleet in either
place
> > > then I think you've met the requirements set out by 5.2.2.2.3.1,
> > > 5.2.2.2.2.3.2, and 7.4.3.1. Here's why: 7.4.3.1 requires the fleet
used
> > > for sea supply to be in a port that can draw supply itself. When using
> sea
> > > supply for the purpose of supplying corps, it will generally be the
case
> > > that supply is flowing in one direction only---toward the corps being
> > > supplied---and the fleet has to be in the source port rather than the
> > > destination. In your situation, however, both ports are already supply
> > > sources for you, so it makes no difference which of the two ports your
> > > fleet is in.
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