Re: [eia] Sea Supply

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>]

    Let me make sure I understand.  Joel says that Danny would need to have
a fleet either in a Swedish port or in the port at Naples in order to
receive reinforcements.  This is due to the language in 7.4.3.1 that says
the fleet has to be in a port which is a supply source.  Since both ports
are supply sources, the wording is satisfied.  I think I get that much.
    But let me try out a hypothetical.  Suppose Spain had a fleet at
Barcelona and depots at Barcelona, Naples, and Stockholm.  Am I correct in
thinking that in that case, the rules would not be satisfied?  (Because
neither the port in Sweden nor the port at Naples contains a fleet, the two
ports are not connected via sea supply.  Hence, no reinforcements could
arrive.)

Is this correct?

kdh

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply


> What Joel has said here is exactly what I was thinking, and my reasoning
for
> giving Danny the advice that I did.  Any dissenters ?
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
>
>
> > Thus spake Danny Mount:
> > > Hi everyone.  Recently I've been trying to interpret the sea supply
> > > rules in 7.4.3.1, particularly as they apply to reinforcing a minor
> country
> > > corps.  7.4.3.1 says, "In order to trace supply across sea areas there
> must
> > > be on of a major power's depots in each of the two friendly controlled
> ports
> > > or port areas between which supply is to be traced.  At least one of
> these
> > > ports must contain a fleet(s) of the major power and/or an ally and
that
> > > port must be a supply source or be able to trace a valid supply chain
> via
> > > depots to a supply source."  This is the rule that we recently
> discovered
> > > that we had been applying incorrectly.  What we discovered was that a
> fleet
> > > must be in the port which is the supply source, not just any port.
> > >
> > >     Keeping this rule in mind, I am wondering what has to happen in
> order to
> > > receive Swedish reinforcements directly in my Swedish corps (which are
> > > currently in Naples).  The relevant rule for this is 5.2.2.2.3.3 which
> > > states, "Minor free states may receive their factors in the same way
> [i.e.,
> > > by being on or next to a depot in a valid supply chain], but *must
trace
> a
> > > supply line (of their controlling major power) back to a supply source
> in
> > > their minor country*."  This last line has me wondering whether the
> depot in
> > > Sweden would have to have a fleet with it in order for my Swedish
corps
> to
> > > receive reinforcements.
> > >
> > >     I have asked JJ about this, and he thinks that the Swedish port
does
> > > *not* need to have a fleet in it to satisfy these rules.  He believes
> that
> > > the supply source for the purpose of sea supply could be in Spain
while
> the
> > > supply source in Sweden is just another depot in the chain.  I am
happy
> with
> > > that interpretation, but I just want to make sure that everyone else
> sees
> > > the rules the same way.  Basically, I just want to make sure that no
one
> is
> > > going to tell me later on that I can't do what I thought I could do.
So
> if
> > > anyone sees these rules differently (and believes that I *would* need
a
> > > fleet in a Swedish port in order to receive reinforcements), please
> speak
> > > now or forever hold your peace.
> > >
> > > Danny
> >
> > If you have depots in Stockholm and Naples, and a fleet in either place
> > then I think you've met the requirements set out by 5.2.2.2.3.1,
> > 5.2.2.2.2.3.2, and 7.4.3.1. Here's why: 7.4.3.1 requires the fleet used
> > for sea supply to be in a port that can draw supply itself. When using
sea
> > supply for the purpose of supplying corps, it will generally be the case
> > that supply is flowing in one direction only---toward the corps being
> > supplied---and the fleet has to be in the source port rather than the
> > destination. In your situation, however, both ports are already supply
> > sources for you, so it makes no difference which of the two ports your
> > fleet is in.
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