Re: [eia] political points after a battle

[Michael Gorman <mpgorman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> There are two different cases here, one involving neutral minors and one
> involving majors after a peace. As far as I can tell, there's nothing
> prohibiting battles from taking place in neutral minors, so long as the
> belligerents are otherwise eligible to fight.
>
> I believe that the rules in 12.4 constitute the sole restrictions on 
> leaving the territory of a former enemy major power. Nothing there 
> prohibits fighting battles, restricts exit paths, prohibits additional 
> corps from entering, building depots, etc. All I see are restrictions on 
> occupying cities beyond 3 months, and the requirement that everyone have 
> left after half a year. So that's the way I think it should be played 
> baring a compelling argument to the contrary.
>
> --
> J.
        I would then see 12.4 as being either unwieldy or ridiculous.

Unwieldy:

Instead, when peace is made, the former enemies have a period of automatic 
"limited access" to get their forces out of the former enemy power's territory.

If this clause is considered more than flavor text, then the rule is 
unwieldy.  We have a difficult evaluate condition upon access but it 
prevents flagrant abuse of the peace time access.

Ridiculous:
        If the above clause is considered flavor text, then upon the end 
of any war, both sides gain a substantial portion of a peace condition that 
normally requires an unconditional surrender.
        Some examples.  At the end of a war between Russia and Turkey, 
Turkey cannot block Dardenelles access for Russia for 6 months.  This means 
Russia can trade freely through the Dardenelles, pass freely through it and 
in all ways have unconditional access since a war occured.  Who won is not 
relevant and that it has nothing to do with force repatriation is also 
irrelevant.
        If Russia made a separate peace with Prussia, I could march an 
army through Prussia in order to pass through France and invade 
Spain.  This clearly violates the entire purpose of 12.4, but it is 
entirely allowed and Prussia has no ability to restrict my movements in any 
way.
        France still has one more turn to pass freely through Austria into 
Italy since they fought a war almost half a year ago, he can suddenly up 
and enter Austria for no reason that has any bearing on force repatriation.

        With this interpretation, I propose we strike option 12.4 as being 
absurd.  The idea of requiring forces to take the time and money to get out 
of a nation is a good idea, but reading it as imposing the unconditional 
access peace term on every power in a war is ludicrous.

Mike



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