Re: [eia] political points after a battle

[Michael Gorman <mpgorman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 02:16 PM 4/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> Thus spake Michael Gorman:
> >
> > What model?  12.4 doesn't tell you what the terms of access are beyond 
> that
> > there exists nebulous limitations on it so it is not unconditional.  But
> > beyond that it is not unconditional, what does it mean?
> >
> > I do not see it as at all clear that you can dispatch a corps to pick up a
> > garrison after a war without gaining voluntary access for that corps.  As
> > the corps is not in the country at the time of the access, it could be 
> seen
> > as needing an independent agreement from the rules for voluntary access,
> > the 10.x series.  But do any of the rules for voluntary access apply to 
> the
> > peace treaty access?  I don't know and the rules seem uncharacteristically
> > unhelpful in this case.
> >
> > There are clear rules for how to handle voluntary and unconditional
> > access.  But the 12.4 access is undefined.
> >
> > Mike
>
> 10.3.1.1 explicitly permits our corps to enter neutral minors, so long as
> we occupy no cities and build no depots. It should in most cases be
> possible to retrieve garrisons without ending a move in a neutral city and
> without building any depots within the minor. 10.3.1.1 doesn't resolve what
> happens to the garrisons when the minor goes neutral---but supposing that
> the garrisons do not evaporate and are not repatriated, it is clear that we
> can pick them up.
>
> So what's at issue is whether garrisons vanish, are repatriated, or remain
> in place when a minor goes neutral, not whether we can enter minor neutrals
> to fetch garrisons.
I suppose I'm as much raising a secondary issue as dealing with the current 
one.  12.4 works fine for neutrals as access is already set up clearly, but 
eventually it will probably come to pass that the war in Russia will 
end.  Then we'll have to figure out what limited' means for force 
departures from major nations.  Remember that this access is two way. It 
isn't just what access do the victors have for the time period, it's also 
what access to the victorious nations does the defeated nation have and 
12.4 does not show that the access conditions are at all different between 
the two.

Beyond stating that there is some access and that that access is limited, 
12.4 seems a pretty useless rule in that it gives no information on the 
mechanics of the access.

What is probably the single most important issue is the conditions under 
which a corps can enter a nation it is no longer at war with in order to 
retrieve garrisons.  Can it engage in combat with allies of the major power 
it is retrieving forces from if they are also present in the nation it is 
retrieving forces from?  Can it exit from a different path than it 
entered?  Can a corps not present in the major power's territory at the 
time of peace enter the nation or is it not covered under the peace time 
access conditions?

Mike



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