Re: [s-d] Proto: Ministries

["Peter Cooper Jr." <pete@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm all in favor of spreading the workload around. I'm not quite sure when I'll get a chance to update with this nweek's voting, but it may not be until tonight.

Some initial thoughts, since you're presumably posting this as a Proto to solicit such:

1) This doesn't say a way to become a Minister. I'm assuming this is intentional as a way to just start a structure and not change everything at once. But perhaps even longer-term the Administrator (or whoever) would just assign Ministries via Tweak as needed?

2) Speaking of Tweaks, this may want to expand that so any Minister (or even any Player) can submit them.

3) Combining the tracking-state with the determining-what-the-result-is-in-the-case-of-ambiguity is interesting. In the past, I remember more or less letting anybody who had time update the Public Displays, and Ministers didn't really have much "power". I don't really object, and perhaps this is a fine step to have for now, but longer-term we need to ensure to have a way to have the game continue when Ministers don't have time to complete their assigned tasks, and may want a way for that to happen without necessarily giving them any power. Though perhaps those who maintain the game should have more power.

4) I would have just combined Minister of Service as part of the Prime Minister's job, and perhaps it even being the main part of the Prime Minister's job eventually (beyond "tracking miscellaneous"). Works fine as is, though.

5) You're overwriting the change made in Prop 1-2 if it passes. Not sure if this was intentional. (Some amount of reworking of the rule will be needed regardless, of couse.)

6) "Let's Keep Score" is Proposal 1-5, not 1-15. And if Prop 1-7 passes, there may exist a timeline in which Proposal 1-5 passed but did not create a Scoring section. I might have phrased the conditional as being whether there exists a "Points" rule. But we can wait and see how Props resolve before this gets finally submitted and voted on anyway.


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> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:57 PM
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> Subject: [s-d] Proto: Ministries
> 
> Proto-proposal: Ministries
> 
> Retitle Rule 2-1 __The Administrator__ to __Ministries__ and amend it
> to
> read:
> {{
> A Ministry (syn. Minister) is a position defined as such by the rules.
> 
> The Prime Minister (syn. Administrator) is a Ministry, tasked with
> tracking the portion of the current state of the game not assigned to
> any other Ministry.
> 
> For each Ministry, exactly one of the players is defined as the holder
> of that Ministry. If a Minister stops being a player or there is
> otherwise no holder of that Ministry, the Prime Minister becomes the
> holder of that Ministry; or if that Ministry is Prime Minister, then
> the
> Player who has continuously been a Player longest becomes the Prime
> Minister.
> }}
> 
> Amend Rule 2-2 __Dissemination of Knowledge__ to read:
> {{
> The Ministers are collectively responsible for ensuring that Outsiders
> understand the current state of the game. They are expected to do this
> by periodically posting messages describing the state of the game to a
> public forum and/or by using other tools such as web pages to ensure
> that all Outsiders have access to the current state of the game.
> }}
> 
> Retitle Rule 2-3 __This is a Dictatorship__ to __This is a
> Parliamentary
> System__ and amend it to read:
> {{
> Each Minister is the absolute authority used to interpret the portion
> of
> the current state of the game assigned to them. Any ambiguities or
> uncertainty regarding that portion of the game will be determined by
> them as they deem fit, and such interpretation is how the game is to be
> played. In case of overlapping assignment, the relevant Ministers have
> joint authority, and the Prime Minister has authority to resolve
> disputes.
> }}
> 
> Add a new Rule to Section 1:
> __Minister of Citizenship__
> {{
> The Minister of Citizenship is a Ministry, tasked with tracking
> Players.
> }}
> 
> Add a new Rule to Section 2:
> __Minister of Service__
> {{
> The Minister of Service is a Ministry, tasked with tracking the holders
> of Ministries.
> }}
> 
> Add a new Rule to Section 4:
> __Legislative Ministries__
> {{
> The Minister of Commons is a Ministry, tasked with tracking Submitted
> Proposals.
> 
> The Minister of Lords is a Ministry, tasked with tracking Open
> Proposals, Proposals that most recently became Passed or Failed, and
> Votes on such Proposals.
> }}
> 
> If Proposal 1-15 __Let's Keep Score__ is Passed, then add a new Rule to
> the Section that it created:
> __Minister of Commerce__
> {{
> The Minister of Commerce is a Ministry, tasked with tracking Points.
> }}
> 
> If Proposal 1-12 __Conflict Resolution__ is Passed, then add a new Rule
> to Section 2:
> __Minister of Justice__
> {{
> The Minister of Justice is a Ministry, tasked with tracking
> Resolutions.
> }}
> 


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