Re: [s-d] [s-b] I take the ministry of Laundry

["Jamie Dallaire" <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>]

We've had lots of cases in recent times where an earlier proposal, say,
modifies a rule by removing a paragraph, after which a later proposal that
refers to that paragraph in an attempt to amend it passes but becomes
totally ineffectual. Or, a later proposal clobbers the changes wrought by an
earlier one because their wording is not exactly compatible. I think
considering them to have passed simultaneously would be good in a lot of
cases but would unfortunately sometimes cause a good deal of havoc (although
you could say I'm a little bit obsessed with ordering everything in time
since yesterday).

e.g. Rule 99 reads "Whenever X, any Player that Y may do Z."

Proposal 512 proposes to replace the entire text of Rule 99 by "Whenever X
and Q, any Player that Y may do Z."

Proposal 519 proposes to amend Rule 99 by replacing "Y" by "G".

The order in which these two pass becomes very significant, and I'm not sure
how they could happen simultaneously.

BP

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Charles Schaefer <chuckles11489@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> 2008/5/24, Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Charles Schaefer <
> chuckles11489@xxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ministry of Society, please adjust the following players mackerel:
> > >
> > > Charles +12m
> > > J +12m
> > > Hose +10m
> > > Billy Pilgrim +8m
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this affected anything, but did you account for the
> passing
> > of a proposal increasing the dividend to m10 during the tallying
> procedure?
> > I ask because since the mack is awarded when the proposal passes, that
> > gives
> > m2 for the proposals before this one and m10 for the proposals after that
> > one. if the one that made this modification itself had a colour..... does
> > that give 2 or 10? (my proposal from earlier today would fix that - in
> this
> > case to 10)
> >
> > BP
>
>
> That was proposal 428, meaning that proposal 430 (blue) may have been
> effected in which case Jay and Charles would get an additional 16m and Hose
> would get an additional 8m. My general understanding is that there is a
> precedent where all proposals are considered to take effect at once, to
> avoid something like having an earlier proposal affecting a later one's
> passing by changing the voting procedure during the tallying period. It is
> with that in mind that I awarded each proposal m2. Did I just make this up
> or is there a basis for it somewhere? (I am about to look over the old
> consultations and see if anything turns up there) What do others think? I'd
> be happy to take my extra macks if there isn't any objection.
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