Kerim Aydin on Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:59:26 -0700 (MST) |
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Re: [s-d] Sheesh |
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Daniel Lepage wrote: > Illegally attempted actions AREN'T GAME ACTIONS! You can't make > something happen just by saying it, and everyone needs to STOP TRYING. Agora went through a spate of this a while ago, and it comes up now and again: basically some players (including myself at one point) claimed that if you "deemed" something to happen, it happened because... hey, whatever's not regulated is permitted, right? Wrong. The rules are the "physical laws" of the game, not arbitrary statements. For example, I could try to "deem" gravity to be non-functional, but it *just wouldn't work*. Under certain, rare and limited circumstances, it's possible that legal fictions are created that ignore boundaries (for example, if a rule is given retroactive application even if it can't actually travel in time). However, these are SPECIAL ENABLING CASES. If the enabling doesn't explicitly and directly exist in the game, just saying something is so doesn't make it so, even under the "whatever is not regulated is permitted" statute of a permissive nomic. After all, even though there's no legislative law against defying gravity, that doesn't mean you can go out and just do it by saying you do it. This is so common a mistake made by Agoran newbies that we call it the "I say I do, therefore I do" (ISIDTID) fallacy. It's a fallacy because ISIDTID doesn't actually work. This is not a feature of a particular ruleset, but a feature of games in general. The chess analogy is apt: within the "chess universe", it just *isn't possible* to make a queen suddenly disappear, it's an impossibility. It might be possible on the metagame level (by knocking it over), but if you do that, you're *no longer playing chess*. Just as, if you do all this claiming that's going on, you're *no longer playing Nomic*. Those who are no longer playing Nomic should probably not play nomic on a not-nomic mailing list. -Goethe _______________________________________________ spoon-discuss mailing list spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-discuss