Re: [s-d] [s-b] Consultation

["Mike McGann" <mike.mcgann@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yeah, I agree with that and would find it consistent.

- Hose

On Dec 1, 2007 1:37 PM, Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My two cents:
>         You exist independently of the game. Therefore, you are an external
> force. You also exist within the context of the game, because you are
> a Player. Therefore you are both a Player and an Object.
>
> I see no justification for your claim "A Player... is not an Object by
> being an External Force".
>
> Put another way, something is a Game Object if the rules say that it
> exists. Something is an External Force if it would exist even if the
> rules didn't say it existed. When both happen, you get an External
> Force that's also a Game Object.
>
> --
> Wonko
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Mike McGann wrote:
>
> > How about this one?
> >
> > I submit the following Consultation:
> >
> > {{ Is there a paradox with a Player being an Object? }}
> >
> > Reasoning:
> > Rule 1-3 states "An External Force is anything which exists
> > independently of the game. That is, it would still exist if the game
> > stopped existing, and would still exist if the game had never started
> > existing."
> >
> > Is an External Force an Object? If yes, they anything which exists
> > independently of the game must be a part of the game by Rule 1-2. If
> > no, then External Forces cannot be Objects and therefore are not in
> > the game.
> >
> > Rule 1-4 states "A Player is an Outsider who..."
> >
> > Rule 1-3 states "An Outsider is an External Force which is also an
> > Object."
> >
> > A Player is an Outsider and is an External Force. A Player is an
> > Object by being an Outsider and is not an Object by being an External
> > Force. Both cannot be true. This can be resolved if an External Force
> > is an Object, but then everything that exists independently is also in
> > the game. It can be resolved if a Player is not an Object but then
> > there are no Players in the game.
> >
> > - Hose
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