Re: [s-d] [s-b] Consultation

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxx>]

My two cents:
	You exist independently of the game. Therefore, you are an external  
force. You also exist within the context of the game, because you are  
a Player. Therefore you are both a Player and an Object.

I see no justification for your claim "A Player... is not an Object by  
being an External Force".

Put another way, something is a Game Object if the rules say that it  
exists. Something is an External Force if it would exist even if the  
rules didn't say it existed. When both happen, you get an External  
Force that's also a Game Object.

-- 
Wonko

On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Mike McGann wrote:

> How about this one?
>
> I submit the following Consultation:
>
> {{ Is there a paradox with a Player being an Object? }}
>
> Reasoning:
> Rule 1-3 states "An External Force is anything which exists
> independently of the game. That is, it would still exist if the game
> stopped existing, and would still exist if the game had never started
> existing."
>
> Is an External Force an Object? If yes, they anything which exists
> independently of the game must be a part of the game by Rule 1-2. If
> no, then External Forces cannot be Objects and therefore are not in
> the game.
>
> Rule 1-4 states "A Player is an Outsider who..."
>
> Rule 1-3 states "An Outsider is an External Force which is also an  
> Object."
>
> A Player is an Outsider and is an External Force. A Player is an
> Object by being an Outsider and is not an Object by being an External
> Force. Both cannot be true. This can be resolved if an External Force
> is an Object, but then everything that exists independently is also in
> the game. It can be resolved if a Player is not an Object but then
> there are no Players in the game.
>
> - Hose
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