Re: [s-d] Is it just a game?

["Jake Eakle" <jseakle@xxxxxxxxx>]

I don't know if this is or should be an unwritten rule, but in my time here
I've never seen proposals that require/allow/reference any action not doable
either via an email client, a wiki interface, or in the most extreme
example, a basic scripting language. The range of actions seen by B Nomic
could easily be extended to things like posting photos to certain websites,
playing online games with other players, etc. This seems to be somewhat out
of the spirit of B Nomic, and it is my gut feeling that such proposals would
probably fail, but it's not necessarily all bad. Just something to think
about.

On 11/23/06, shadowfirebird@xxxxxxxxx <shadowfirebird@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Every game has such rules, of course; rules that aren't written but
> that people follow.  For example: "if you draw a card from the stock
> and knock the stock over, it's your job to pick it up."
>
> One of the things I find fascinating about Nomic is that, while on the
> surface you would think that it the one game without unwritten rules,
> that's not true.  In fact the nature of Nomic actually makes these
> unwritten rules much more apparent.
>
> My personal unwritten rule here is not to tread on anyone's toes, of
> course.  As far as I can.
>
> I can certainly see the attraction of running a Nomic as a "society";
> something like a MUSH; a consensual reality.  But that wasn't why I
> joined.
>
>
> On 11/23/06, Jonathan David Amery <jdamery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I've been googling, and found this interesting:
> > > http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/MousetrapThesis
> > >
> > > Especially:
> > > >>>>
> > > While there is a feeling on Steve's part [...] that Agora is at root
> > > only a game, like chess or Monopoly, wherein every move within the
> > > structure of the Rules is acceptable [...] The opposite view, away
> > > from the "game," sees Agora more like a "society." [...] Agora could,
> > > quite easily, turn itself into a nomic fan club with effects outside
> > > the "game--" [...] The mere fact that it doesn't actually perform
> > > these, or any, extra-game functions does not diminish the reactions
> > > the Players to certain game actions.
> > > <<<<
> > >
> > > So is B-Nomic just a game?  I don't ask for idle information; if
> > > b-nomic is like Agora is/was, and I play it as a game, lots of people
> > > are going to be pissed off with me...
> > >
> >  Speaking as on old-Ackanomican I'd say that it is just a game, but
> > there are metarules which should be followed that are created out of the
> > society of the game.
> >
> >  As an example I present a list of things which are OK from the point of
> > view of the game, but which aren't allowed by my understanding of the
> > metarules.
> >
> >  Things which aren't Harfy
> >  -------------------------
> >
> > . It's not harfy to take advantage of the same loophole twice.
> >  Malenkai's loophole was cool the first time it was exploited -- it got
> >  boring quickly.
> > . It's not harfy to lie about the external universe to gain advantage in
> >  game -- it's not, for instance, harfy to create a sock-puppet player to
> >  give you advantages in game.
> > . It's not harfy to do illegal or immoral things to gain a game
> >  advantage -- for instance it's not harfy to DDOS Joel's server in order
> >  that mailing-list mail gets delayed.
> >
> >  There are probably other metarules that I haven't thought of off the
> > top of my head too...
> >
> >  WC.
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