[s-d] Re: [s-b] Peter tries to Scam

[Iain <iop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The "standard"(?!) interpretation of r18 is that it applies to the 
effects of actions, not just the cause: so the creation of points  and 
the changing of rules are both regulated elsewhere in the rule set, 
hence neither is permitted by r18. I think this (or a very similar) scam 
has been attempted before.... but since we stopped giving titles for 
such things, I cant recall when or who...

If I had sufficient time and anal retentiveness, I would try to go 
through the list archives and write a history of this game...

cheers,
Iain

Peter Cooper Jr. wrote:

> I'm almost certain that somebody must have tried this before. But I
> figure that if that's the case, it'll just get CFI'd down and I'll
> learn why it doesn't work, since I'm really curious what would stop
> this from working. But, I figured I had to try, and don't really have
> anything to lose by trying.
>
> I create the Society "Pete's Scamming Society" with the following
> Charter:
> {{
> For the purposes of this charter, "Peter" shall mean the Outsider who
> first joined the game on nweek 76, nday 1 under the name Peter.
>
> Peter is the only member of this Society. This society does not accept
> any other entity as a member. If Peter is somehow not a member and
> applies for membership, e becomes a member. If at any time any other
> entity becomes a member of this Society, they are Ousted by it.
>
> Pete's Scamming Society performs any action which Peter asks it to. It
> will not perform any actions Peter does not specifically request.
> It will not accept any items transferred to it by any player except
> Peter unless Peter specifically requests this Society to do so.
> }}
>
> I ask Pete's Scamming Society to perform the following two actions,
> which it does due to its charter:
> Action 1: {{
> Increase Peter's Score by 1000 Points.
> }}
> Action 2: {{
> Modify Rule 393 by replacing the word "Players" with "Game Objects".
> }}
>
> In case you're wondering why I think this works, here's my reasoning
> (which I'll try to explain in more detail if this gets CFI'd, but I
> think that this is mostly it.):
> - r578, Societies, section II, says "Societies may only take actions
>  which the rules permit them to." 
> - r18 says that "Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by the
>  Ruleset is permitted and unregulated."
> - There is nothing that prohibits or regulates Societies arbitrarily
>  changing the game state. Therefore, r18 allows it, and r578 says
>  that Societies can do it. There *is* a rule (r393) saying that
>  players can't arbitrarily change the game state, but no such rule
>  exists for other entities.
> - Presumably, if a rule were needed to stop players from changing
>  things, a rule would be needed to stop other entities from changing
>  things. Hopefully, my change to r393 fixes it, but even if it
>  doesn't we may want to prop a change to clarify things.
>
>  

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