Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] CFI: All is Not Made Right.

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Nov 4, 2004, at 9.59 AM, Jeremy Cook wrote:

> The question for the appellate judges to decide is: Could Wonko
> distinguish his actions from legal actions? In order for them to be
> legal, he had to be unable to do this before applying r699. I am 
> arguing
> that he was perfectly able to; the judges will decide this how they
> want.

The reason I bring up belief is because I think it's fairly obvious 
that if I believe my actions to be legal, then I quite definitely 
cannot distinguish them from legal actions. Because if I could, I 
wouldn't think they were legal. What you're claiming, then, is that I 
didn't think my actions were legal. Which is false, but I can't prove 
that, nor can you.

See, I think it's reasonable to claim that The Voice couldn't 
distinguish my actions from legal actions. And I think it's reasonable 
to claim that because of that, my actions were legal.

I'm not bothering to argue that point because this point is much 
stronger anyway; but I do think my actions were legal anyway.

And obviously if I think they're legal then I can't tell the difference 
between them and legal actions.

> > Even if wonko is randomly generated text, e is still following the 
> > rules by
> > (randomly) posting comprehendable english content. The rules 
> > currently DO
> > NOT FORBID a random text-generator from being a player, as long as it
> > applies for membership correctly, etc. And I don't think you or 
> > anyone else
> > would argue that such a computer program can distinguish a legal rule 
> > from
> > an illegal one.
>
> Well, to be consistent, I'd have to. Wonko is a Black Box. Maybe e's a
> random text generator, or a giant squirrel, or something even cooler.
> Based on eir responses to all our input, I would argue that whatever e
> is, e can do exactly that.

Prove it.

And bear in mind that 'highly unlikely' and 'impossible' are by no 
means the same thing.

--
Wonko

The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.
                -- Buckminster Fuller

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