Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] [auto] PlayerPersonman submits p1912/0

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Oct 3, 2004, at 8.36 PM, Jake Eakle wrote:

> > You won't actually get any bonus points for your proposal as it 
> > stands.
> > The restrictions laid out by Limerick form and Void form apply to the
> > entire prop; having a rule within the prop that conforms doesn't
> > suffice. In your prop, the line 'Add section A.6 to rule 437:' 
> > contains
> > an 'e' and doesn't fit in any limerick, so you don't meet the
> > requirements for either form.
> >
> > As for the Form Creation Bonus, I wonder if we should do away with it
> > entirely. It's not too hard to propose a rule in a poetic form, but it
> > is hard to do it well (consider how ugly the Song Form and Void Form
> > sections are). Because of this, most Poetic props do not create rules
> > or make large changes to them,  and I don't think we should be
> > encouraging the creation of props that do.
>
> If this is true, did the haiku and song props not get their authors any
> points? Neither one contains the Add a section text within the actual 
> poetry
> bit... Somehow, i kinda think the clauses in each of the forms that 
> exclude
> the name and comments also exclude such introductory text. I'm not 
> sure of
> the necessity of the Add a rule, Add a section, Modify rule X, etc. 
> text
> under the current rules, but if it is necessary then no one could ever 
> get
> any points for a poem form without devoting most of it to this text, 
> and if
> it's not it would be trivial for me to simply remove it, and more 
> efficient
> to ignore it for poetry purposes...

The Haiku form was the first form introduced, and was propped long 
before we had a Form Creation Bonus, so its author got nothing. The 
song form did get its author points. If you look at the beginning of 
the section, the opening doesn't fit with the song pattern. This is 
because the 'introductory' text of the prop did indeed fit the song 
form, and the rule was simply integrated in with the rest.

The only forms that have ever actually earned their authors the FCB 
were Song Form and Void Form. For earlier forms, the FCB didn't exist. 
In fact, the only reason I proposed the FCB was because I wanted to get 
bonus Charm from the Song Form prop, because I was very close to 
getting enough Charm points to win. It turned out to be a moot point, 
because Orc in a Spacesuit found some hole before I could hit 40 Charm, 
and so he won and all Dimensions were reset including my Charm. So 
really, there wasn't even a good reason for it when it was proposed, 
much less one for keeping it around all these nweeks.

It's true that it's very difficult to fit 'Add a Rule' or 'Modify Rule 
X to read:' sections in most poetic forms; I believe the original 
intent of the Haiku form was to encourage small, easy-to-read 
proposals. Haiku props in the past have usually said things like
{
In rule one-oh-four:
Replace the two words "foo bar"
with "foo and a bar"
}
and in general have not been used for serious rule-making.

> > It took me awhile to figure out where this '200 points' figure was
> > coming from :) I guess it never occurred to me to read it that way.
> >
> > The intent here was to give not "10 score" points, but 10 "score
> > points"; the word 'score' indicates that these are score points, as
> > opposed to points of bandwidth, Respect points, points of Entropy, or
> > any of the dozens of things that could have been called 'points'
> > throughout this game's history.
>
> Perhaps the quotes should be added for clarity?

Ok, though I doubt any judge would ever rule against it. It's game 
custom that score points are the things often just called 'points'; I 
don't think anything in the history of the game has ever used 'score' 
to mean 20 before.

> > Even with your explanation, I still don't understand the meaning of
> > 'six among six'.
>
> Six among six = six distributed among six people = six divided by six:
>
> 30 + (6 / 6) = 31 syllables.

Ah, I see. It could also be read in a number of ways: six objects 
divided among six bins yields six objects, for example.

--
Wonko

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