Zarpint on Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:19:41 -0500 (CDT)

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Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: viving the Nomic Market idea

You know, people probably don't tell others when they smuggle alcohol
out of a party.


On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, [iso-8859-1] Bill Adlam wrote:

> Teucer wrote:
> > Nope. It's the effects that they create in another game.
> >
> > For instance, the late ThermodyNomic had "Hot Potatoes", game objects
> > which
> > each carried a description with them that caused them to activate on
> > various
> > triggers. One that was proposed, for instance, was the Potato of
> > Taxation.
> > Every three days, the posessor lost a Coin (large-denomination Thermo
> > currency) to the Bank, if e had any. If Thermo's ruleset had not
> > systematically erased itself and destroyed the game world, and it
> > were a
> > Market Nomic, a Thermo player could give the Potato of Taxation to a
> > B Nomic
> > player. If that player had gained any of Thermo's Coins through the
> > Market,
> > e would lose one every three days until e ditched the PoT.
> In that case, we also need a list of permitted Import Goods.  We need
> some means short of all-out blockade for excluding contraband that
> would be disruptive, too difficult to administer, or whatever horribly
> powerful game-breaking object it is you're planning to smuggle in if
> this passes.
> The list would also translate the generalised language of the other
> Nomic's export list into unambiguous B Nomic effects, possibly adjusted
> for local conditions.  For example, the PoT should only act every 3
> ndays or, more conveniently, at the end of every checking period.
> How do you propose to synchronise transfers between Nomics?  What if
> you announce in a public forum that you are paying a hundred points to
> Doyle The Barbarian of X Nomic in exchange for eir Elven Chain Letter,
> but Doyle does nothing?  Or E does acknowlege it much later, when it
> suits em?  We don't know if e even possesses an Elven Chain Letter.
> The Pink Scarf should not be exportable - both because it has to exist
> in this game and because it is not transferrable.  r258 should be
> reformed, though, as I shall shortly propose.
> I think it's worth adding to the eclair description that being smeared
> with one generally defaces the smearee, and in particular can make a
> player less charming, or register an extra vote against a proposal, or
> (since they are also exportable) can erase a card.
> And there is at least one loophole to be closed: when B Nomic is
> partying, anyone can buy four free Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters and
> give them to a player e controls in another market Nomic.  Then, at the
> end of the party, e can trade them back and drink them one by one over
> the next 6 nweeks.  Thereby winning at great cost to eir brain and
> liver.  I suggest we prohibit alcoholic exports while partying (whoever
> heard of anyone taking alcohol away from a party?).  It's also possible
> to export points to avoid the post-win reset.
> Sagitta
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