Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] NWEEK 50 BALLOT

["Glotmorf" <dwhytock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2 Oct 2003 at 16:31, Daniel Lepage wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:
> 
> >>> I take myself Off Leave, having returned from DC.  I think I still
> >>> have time to cast my votes, but otherwise I yield to my proxy to
> >>> BvS.
> >>
> >> It's debatable whether the Baron could have used your proxy.
> >> Although r208/2 states that the holder of a proxy may cast votes in
> >> the name of the proxy donor, it also states that the donor is
> >> considered to have cast those votes, which, since you were On
> >> Leave, seems like a violation of r15.A, which states that a player
> >> who is On Leave cannot vote.
> >>
> > -Well, which takes precedence? We do have that system for a reason.-
> 
> r15 takes precedence, by virtue of a lower id number and higher 
> chutzpah. But it's not clear that there's a conflict; one says you can
> cast votes in eir name, and we'll consider those votes to have come
> from em; whereas the other says e can't vote... so one could argue
> that either you can't do anything because e can't vote, or that you
> can vote but those votes won't be considered to have come from em, or
> that the votes, while being considered to have been cast by em,
> weren't actually cast by em, so it's legal...

I'd opt for the latter...that a player on leave can't cast a 
vote since that would be an action, but a player that has that 
player's proxy can cast a vote in eir name, and it's 
considered to have been cast by the on-leave player.  Not 
considered to be cast, but to have been cast, as in a fait 
accompli -- it's done, it happened, regardless of how.

Though, as it says in a rule somewhere between the two, a vote 
cast by someone holding X's proxy isn't a vote that X actually 
casts, and therefore X's Activity doesn't go up.

						Glotmorf

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