Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] NWEEK 50 BALLOT

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 11:40 PM, Glotmorf wrote:

> On 2 Oct 2003 at 16:31, Daniel Lepage wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 03:02 PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:
> >
> > > > > I take myself Off Leave, having returned from DC.  I think I still
> > > > > have time to cast my votes, but otherwise I yield to my proxy to
> > > > > BvS.
> > > >
> > > > It's debatable whether the Baron could have used your proxy.
> > > > Although r208/2 states that the holder of a proxy may cast votes in
> > > > the name of the proxy donor, it also states that the donor is
> > > > considered to have cast those votes, which, since you were On
> > > > Leave, seems like a violation of r15.A, which states that a player
> > > > who is On Leave cannot vote.
> > > -Well, which takes precedence? We do have that system for a reason.-
> >
> > r15 takes precedence, by virtue of a lower id number and higher
> > chutzpah. But it's not clear that there's a conflict; one says you can
> > cast votes in eir name, and we'll consider those votes to have come
> > from em; whereas the other says e can't vote... so one could argue
> > that either you can't do anything because e can't vote, or that you
> > can vote but those votes won't be considered to have come from em, or
> > that the votes, while being considered to have been cast by em,
> > weren't actually cast by em, so it's legal...
>
> I'd opt for the latter...that a player on leave can't cast a
> vote since that would be an action, but a player that has that
> player's proxy can cast a vote in eir name, and it's
> considered to have been cast by the on-leave player.  Not
> considered to be cast, but to have been cast, as in a fait
> accompli -- it's done, it happened, regardless of how.
>
> Though, as it says in a rule somewhere between the two, a vote
> cast by someone holding X's proxy isn't a vote that X actually
> casts, and therefore X's Activity doesn't go up.

That's not what it says; the part you're thinking of is in the 
definition of Activity (r154/23.B.3.) where it states that a player's 
Activity goes up at the end of each nweek if e voted on the ballot 
using at least one non-proxied vote.

--
Wonko

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     -Anonymous

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