Re: [spoon-discuss] vSET

["Baron von Skippy" <bvs@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>I was just perusing vSET's charter, and came up with a question that I can't remember having been answered before (though it may well have been)...
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>Is Dave a public forum?
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>He hasn't designated himself as such, which I think is the deciding factor, but vSET would require him (or some minister) to be one, since, according to r17, "Actions occur upon reaching the appropriate Fora."  Therefore, for vSET to have its secret membership, which by definition is part of the gamestate, actions would have to be specifically emailed to Dave, who would recognize them and maintain his record of the gamestate.
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>But since Dave isn't a designated public forum, actions sent to him can't be officially recognized by him, and therefore vSET's secret membership can't be maintained.
-Well, for one thing, the very nature of vSET makes it all easier if it isn't necessarily an entity controlled by the normal rules. For example, if I told five friends to join B Nomic and the six of us worked in concert, I'd have accomplished the same thing as if five players joined vSET. This way, though, you know the conspiracy exists... Now, what does this mean as far as the charter goes? The statutes of the charter... "They're not so much rules as... guidelines."

So you know that a conspiracy exists and the general rules it follows. If you want to have vSET stricken, go for it. The group will still exist, though.-
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>Which leads to a followup question...
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>Should Dave be a public forum?
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>Is there an actual genuine need for a GM with a GM screen, to whom notes can be passed for actions to be taken that may well have publicly visible consequences but not necessarily publicly visible causes?  Do we anticipate any sort of large-scale need for hidden actions?
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>I suppose Dave wouldn't want the additional work, though even if we set up a minister for this any action involving said minister would probably have to cc: Dave, in case said minister DOFOEs (Drops Off Face Of Earth) and Dave has to reconcile the current hidden gamestate.
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>Personally I think the only practical way to do hidden actions is a separate email address with a procmail handler, or a webform, that updates a database that Dave, in a DOFOE situation, has access to.  Is there interest at this time in a general-purpose database-logged hidden-action submission webform?
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-Well, this was one of the things I was talking about with Ministers of Channeling. They would be GMs, and any ministers related to Black Ajahesque actions would not only be GMs, but secret GMs... anyway, we've had secret voting for a while. Why not expand it a bit?-

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