Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Grid II Prop

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 10:48  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> > > > I was kind of hoping to avoid using players as their own pieces in  
> > > > games. It leads to uncertainty
> > > > and odd things happening. Remember the Improbable having the  
> > > > ability to destroy anything that was
> > > > 'not required by the ruleset to exist'? - which technically  
> > > > included players?
> > > -So be very, very careful. Although perhaps it would behoove us to  
> > > protect players in some other way... you know, I think there's  
> > > something this ruleset needs. Just a minute while I fire up the  
> > > Proposo-Matic-O-Tron-De-Luxx (Mark 3)...-
> >
> > "Be very, very careful," you say. And then you propose this:
> >
> > > Players cannot be destroyed or removed from the game in any way  
> > > other than voluntary or forced forfeit, and then only if the rule  
> > > describing the effect explicitly says so.
> >
> > Well, that would be in a rule; the rule would be describing the  
> > effect, namely, forced forfeit; and the rule explicitly says that  
> > players can be removed by voluntary or forced forfeit; so, if this  
> > passes, I can pull a Scoff! and become the sole shareholder.
> >
> > Careful, indeed.
> -And yet I still don't know what in blazes you've done. Run that by me  
> again.-

Okay, Players cannot be destroyed or removed from the game in any way  
other than voluntary or forced forfeit, and then only if the rule  
describing the effect explicitly says so.

But that above sentence would appear in a rule; and it explicitly  
states that players *can* be removed from the game by forced forfeit.

One could perhaps make the case that this isn't enough to validate the  
action over the Default case, but I think that would be a hard argument  
to back up, especially since you also want to add "Players may perform  
any action allowed by the rules, provided they meet all requirements to  
perform that action".

So, your rule explicitly gives me the power to force you to forfeit.

By "pull a Scoff!" I was referring to  
http://lists.ellipsis.cx/archives/spoon-business/spoon-business-200201/ 
msg00283.html ; the important part of this message was:
> Antonio forfeits B Nomic
> Baron von Skippy forfeits B Nomic
> Bean forfeits B Nomic
> Congenital Optimist forfeits B Nomic
> Dan  forfeits B Nomic
> Glotmorf forfeits B Nomic
> Iain forfeits B Nomic
> Rob forfeits B Nomic
> The Voice forfeits B Nomic
> Turgul forfeits B Nomic
> Uncle Psychosis forfeits B Nomic
> Wonko forfeits B Nomic

Doing that to all of you would make me the sole voting entity.


Sidenote:
Wow. Only five of the 13 players involved are still playing.

--
Wonko

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