Re: [spoon-discuss] Subgame?

[SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

26/06/2003 06:15:41, Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 12:10  AM, Rob Speer wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:54:26PM -0400, Daniel Lepage wrote:
>>> How does this look for a start?
>>
>> Sounds too complex for the state of the game right now.
>
>Most of the complexity is simply a roundabout way of saying, "Let's 
>pretend we're taking turns and have cards!"
>
>The game I'm trying to create is Dvorak, which can be described in 99 
>words:
>
>Shuffle the cards into a draw pile.
>  Draw five cards each. Choose who takes the first turn.
>  Each turn, draw a card from the top of the draw pile, then play a 
>Thing and/or an Action. (Things go onto the table in front of the 
>person who played them, Actions go face-up onto the discard pile.)
>   If you've got more than five cards in your hand at the end of your 
>turn, discard down to five. Then it's the next Player's turn.
>   When the draw pile's empty, shuffle the discard pile to make a new 
>one.
>   And that's it.
>

Well yes, but that is exactly the problem, isn't it. As with Nomic, where 
the short version is 
 

Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it 
differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is 
proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that 
way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, 
and doing it. Even this core of the game, of course, can be changed. --Peter 
Suber



Its not what you are saying that is the issue, but what you aren't

Anyone reading the above comment has absolutely no idea that the result 
could be B Nomic, but B Nomic is only one of the possibilities - your card 
game says very little, and (especially in combination with Nomic itself) 
this could result in one hell of a lot of complexity to track.


SkArcher




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