Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Grid Recognitions

[SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

05/05/2003 16:32:31, "Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>>From: SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Finally, no one's said a word on my latest attempt to get out the Siren's
>>>ZATR.  I'd like to think that it's because everyone believes it to be
>>>perfectly legal, but I'd be deluding myself, as I'm sure some of you think
>>>otherwise, especially considering some of the statements regarding
>>>Penguindom and free will.  For those wanting to look at the message, see
>>>http://lists.ellipsis.cx/archives/spoon-business/spoon-business-200305/msg00005.html
>>>.
>>
>>Hmmm, interesting, but I think you may have overlooked something when you 
>>read the proto ice rules (or wrote them, in fact)
>>
>>Nowhere in the Proto-Ice rule (1469/0) does it state any effects upon 
>>players movement, only upon the movement of objects. Players are entities, 
>>not objects, and
>>are defined by different rules.
>>
>>SkArcher
>
>Object, currently, has no specific definition within B Nomic, and so the 
>standard English meaning is used.
>
>On a side note, players are Grid Objects.  And a part of the definition of a 
>Grid Object is that it is an object.

no, if you read closely you will find that grid objects are defined in section A2 of rule 301/38, 
while the first mention of players and their location on the grid is in the entirely seperate 
section B, which amongst other things states that 
{If a Player attempts to move into a unit which e may not occupy, eir Move fails and e remains in 
eir current location}
as, by the siren section (E2) the following is the case 
{Players in a Siren's ZATR may only move to Grid squares in that Siren's ZATR or Grid squares in 
that Siren's ZOE}

And as a further point, rule 301/38 section E.2.2 states quite clearly 
{Players in a ZATR or ZOE and are in an airspeeder disembark from that speeder as soon as able, may 
not board any airspeeders, and may not cause any airspeeder they are in to move.} 



SkArcher

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