Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Grid Recognitions

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 05/05/2003 16:32:31, "Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
>
> > > From: SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Finally, no one's said a word on my latest attempt to get out the 
> > > > Siren's
> > > > ZATR.  I'd like to think that it's because everyone believes it to be
> > > > perfectly legal, but I'd be deluding myself, as I'm sure some of you 
> > > > think
> > > > otherwise, especially considering some of the statements regarding
> > > > Penguindom and free will.  For those wanting to look at the message, see
> > > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/archives/spoon-business/spoon-business-200305/msg00005.html
> > > > .
> > >
> > > Hmmm, interesting, but I think you may have overlooked something when you
> > > read the proto ice rules (or wrote them, in fact)
> > >
> > > Nowhere in the Proto-Ice rule (1469/0) does it state any effects upon
> > > players movement, only upon the movement of objects. Players are 
> > > entities,
> > > not objects, and
> > > are defined by different rules.
> > >
> > > SkArcher
> >
> > Object, currently, has no specific definition within B Nomic, and so the
> > standard English meaning is used.
> >
> > On a side note, players are Grid Objects.  And a part of the definition of 
> > a
> > Grid Object is that it is an object.
>
> no, if you read closely you will find that grid objects are defined in 
> section A2 of rule 301/38,
> while the first mention of players and their location on the grid is in the 
> entirely seperate
> section B, which amongst other things states that
> {If a Player attempts to move into a unit which e may not occupy, eir Move 
> fails and e remains in
> eir current location}
> as, by the siren section (E2) the following is the case
> {Players in a Siren's ZATR may only move to Grid squares in that Siren's 
> ZATR or Grid squares in
> that Siren's ZOE}

It doesn't matter what order the things are stated in, Players are still 
Grid Objects.  Witness the end of 301.B.1:
"Players are Passable MOs, except that no two players may ever occupy the 
same square."
And A.2 says that Grid Objects are objects.  Therefore, the players are 
objects.

> And as a further point, rule 301/38 section E.2.2 states quite clearly
> {Players in a ZATR or ZOE and are in an airspeeder disembark from that 
> speeder as soon as able, may
> not board any airspeeders, and may not cause any airspeeder they are in to 
> move.}

... darnit.  My fix worked a bit too well.  So I bought an Ice Cube, set it 
off in my location, and tried to get my Speeder to move.  Except I couldn't 
make it move, so that part failed.  Well, I can still move without my 
Speeder...

I move to (13,6), then to (12,5).  I should then slide to (11,4), screaming 
that I don't want to leave the siren until I leave the Zone and come to my 
senses.  Then, I'll pick up all carryable objects in my location, then move 
to (10,5).

I've updated the grid page with both the possibilities of me failing and me 
succeeding.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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