Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] The Daily Recognizer (Sunday night)

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > I rule FALSE on j1481/0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please elaborate.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel that, while the charters are there, they're part of the 
> > > > > gamestate and can't be modified by default. Moreover, nothing grants 
> > > > > them force of Rule, so they can't modify themselves.
> > > >
> > > > And...because of this, you think Mr. in a Spacesuit DID score a win?  
> > > > Which is what a False ruling on that CFI indicates?
> > >
> > > Oopsie. Meant TRUE. Um, does that could as a Rectification? If not, I 
> > > appeal it.
> >
> > I am so loving this.  I mean, I was honestly willing to give up the win, 
> > despite the fact that I consistently proved that I got it, but it seems 
> > that I don't have to work at all to get it.
> >
> > As for a response to the analysis:  Yes, charters are a part of the 
> > gamesstate.  Yes, things can't be modified by default.  BUT societies can 
> > modify their charters, according to the Societies rule.  And yes, they do 
> > not have the force of rule, unless they are modified to be a rule.  Which 
> > is possible due to what I said above, and the fact that there is no 
> > restriction that applies to changing a charter into a > rule.
>
> Whether or not you could change a charter to a rule is debatable; whether 
> or not you could make a new charter to replace the one you accidentally 
> undefined is not.

Again, I didn't attempt to change the charter, my society did.  Whether or 
not a change into a rule is possible is indeed debateable.  And don't forget 
that if that fails, there is still the "change the charters in into a new 
society with itself as a charter" thing

And the fact that the charter got undefined (not that it was really fully 
defined to begin with), does not make it cease to exist.  If you have a rule 
that says "there exists X", and you repeal that, then you could argue that 
it does.  But once a thing is created, it doesn't disappear just because we 
don't define exactly what it is.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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