Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Grounded

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On 4/25/03 at 1:39 AM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
> > > Don't you get it yet?  IT IS EQUAL!  Anyone can do what I did with M-Tek.
> >
> > You mean find some long-gone player to suck votes out of?  Yeah, sure, we 
> > can all do that.  That isn't equal.  We don't have equal access to 
> > long-gone players.
>
> Well, yes, as a matter of fact you do.  Go look at the roster and see who's 
> about to be garbage-collected, then email them and offer to keep them in 
> the game while they work out whatever lifestyle issue has kept them from 
> being active, if they join your society.

If they wish to remain in the game, they have the option of Lurking, now.  I 
would say more, but Dave's said it a lot better than I could.

> Besides, Iain wasn't long-gone when he signed up with M-Tek.  Had he been 
> long-gone, he'd've been garbage-collected.

When he signed up with M-Tek.  But this went on for quite some time, into 
the time when he was long-gone.

> And besides that, due to the carping on the subject I have ousted Iain from 
> M-Tek.  If someone else signs up with M-Tek rather than suffer immediate 
> garbage collection, I suppose people will have to carp all over again.

Actually, that won't happen, now.  With the prop I made passing, there is 
one valid option to not participate yet remain a player: Lurking.  It will 
work, and doesn't need anything fancy.  Anything you do as a result of 
society membership (or automation scripts, really) won't make you immune.

> M-Tek can submit proposals, not because it's a special case, but because 
> the rules say it can.

Yes.  And I fully support this ability, and have never, ever tried to take 
it away.

> The rules used to say that one can make one of the explicit conditions of 
> membership to be a guarantee that members will vote in favor of the 
> society's proposals.

Yes.  And while I personally don't really support this, I have never, ever 
tried to take it away.  And when props I made have taken this ability away, 
I either revised the prop as soon as you pointed it out, or made a seperate 
prop (Automation Scripts) to address the issue.

> Anyone can make a society that does what M-Tek does.

Yes, it can.  And I have never, ever tried to take that away.

> Anyone can make a society that submits proposals, and pools its members' 
> votes.  Or, at least, anyone can if your latest gutting of the society rule 
> gets fixed.

Any society still can, and it wasn't a gutting.  The actual effects of the 
proposal still left that ability intact.  I thought I had pointed this out.  
Just require your members to set automation scripts, or face consequences 
like no payouts from M-Tek, or even ousting them.

> I honestly don't know why, in the several months M-Tek has been around, you 
> or someone else didn't make a society run like M-Tek, rather than 
> complaining about how M-Tek is "unfair".

I do not think that M-Tek is unfair because if it has its members vote 
automatically.  I do not think M-Tek is unfair if it can make proposals.  
I've just been wanting to tweak the mechanics of how it works.  Just because 
I want to, say, give us all hydrogen-burning cars to replace gas-guzzlers 
doesn't mean I don't want you to be able to drive to work.

I really think that a lot of the ire related to this is a big understanding. 
 I never knew quite what you thought of my intentions and actions; now that 
I do, I hope that I have cleared things up.  Yes, my props have needed lots 
of revisions, and even needed seperate props to maintain society 
functionality, but I've never tried to take away from M-Tek propmaking and 
requiring things of their members.  Just changing the mechanics of it a lot.

I hope that this is just a misunderstanding, and that this clears it up.  
Let our animosity come to an end.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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