Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Uh... Crap...

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 04:46  PM, Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:

> > Your charter was destroyed when it ceased to be tied to the game. 
> > There's nothing there to modify.
>
> It exists.  Just because there's nothing saying the can be created now 
> doesn't mean it suddenly disappears.  For a real-world analogy, if you 
> blow up a Ford Motors plant, you aren't going to have a bunch of 
> trucks disappear.  You just won't get any new ones.

By real-world analogy, some rules you have for some club you're in 
don't create objects either. What's your point? RW analogies, as has 
been shown many times in the past, have no bearing on Nomic.

It's not that they cease to exist because there's no way to create 
them; it's that they cease to exist because there's no longer anything 
that says they exist.

> > > Now, that doesn't have the force of rule?  No problem!
> > > OEPEVE modifies its charter to be a rule, with a Chutzpah of 4 and 
> > > in Layer 4.
> >
> > Yes problem. Rule changes aren't covered by r18.
>
> "Rule Change consists of the creation (enactment), modification 
> (amendment), or deletion (repeal) of a rule."  I'm not modifying a 
> rule, I'm modifying a charter.  After the modification is done, the 
> charter is a rule.  And I'm all-powerful.

"Changing the Rules is permitted only as explicitly or implicitly 
described by a Rule other than this Rule or a set of Rules not 
including this Rule."

Not, "Rule Changes", but just "changing the rules". Adding a new 
document to the ruleset certainly changes the rules.

--
Wonko

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