Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Uh... Crap...

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 03:40  AM, Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
> > > From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > I modify M-Tek's charter by adding 100 to the charter's charm, and the 
> > > following text: "If this charter ever possesses charm, it evenly 
> > > distributes it among M-Tek's members."
> >
> > Funny thing is, charters don't actually *do* anything; it's the societies 
> > that do.  So while I suppose that with the current wording, you could 
> > technically give a charter charm, the chart won't ever do anything based 
> > on the text.
> >
> > So, that charter won't do anything.  And yes, Wonko's attempt wasn't 
> > legal, either.
>
> Did you have any reason for saying that, or are you just in denial? Yes, 
> with the current wording, you could technically give a charter charm... and 
> I did. Since *I'm* the charter, I get Charm. So I Win.

Well, I pretty much covered everything you say here in my last message, but 
lemme go ahead anyway...
Yes, you can give a charter charm.  But you aren't the charter.  Your 
Exploitation society does not have a charter, and "Players may not change 
the game state."  And if somehow if your society did gain a charter on 
creation, it would be empty, and not give you the power to change it.

> > However, that doesn't mean that there isn't still exploitability in the 
> > Societies rule, exploitability brought up by Wonko's prop that I voted 
> > against all that while back...
> >
> > Some of you may recall "Orc's Exploits of Props E Voted Against", or 
> > OEPEVA, a society I created a while back.  Seeing as OEPEVA does things 
> > when I state it does:
> > OEPEVA modifies its charter to have the following text appended to it:
> > "Orc in a Spacesuit can make any change to the rules e wishes, at any time 
> > e wishes.  Orc in a Spacesuit can make any change to the gamestate e 
> > wishes, at any time e wishes."
>
> Your charter was destroyed when it ceased to be tied to the game. There's 
> nothing there to modify.

It exists.  Just because there's nothing saying the can be created now 
doesn't mean it suddenly disappears.  For a real-world analogy, if you blow 
up a Ford Motors plant, you aren't going to have a bunch of trucks 
disappear.  You just won't get any new ones.

> > Now, that doesn't have the force of rule?  No problem!
> > OEPEVE modifies its charter to be a rule, with a Chutzpah of 4 and in 
> > Layer 4.
>
> Yes problem. Rule changes aren't covered by r18.

"Rule Change consists of the creation (enactment), modification (amendment), 
or deletion (repeal) of a rule."  I'm not modifying a rule, I'm modifying a 
charter.  After the modification is done, the charter is a rule.  And I'm 
all-powerful.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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