[spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Uh... Crap...

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 01:36  AM, Glotmorf wrote:
>
> > Didn't we just decide that the gamestate cannot be affected by things 
> > which whose existences aren't provided for in the rules, like charters and 
> > whatnot?  Thanks to Mr. in a Spacesuit's most recent society screw, while 
> > a society can manipulate some object called a charter, it doesn't say that 
> > such an object as a charter actually exists.  Therefore, you can't create 
> > a society that includes a charter, since the initual state of such an 
> > object isn't defined.
>
> No method is prescribed for giving Charters to Societies, nor even is any 
> method defined for determining what a Charter is. Therefore, it being 
> unregulated, it is perfectly legal for me to decide what a charter is. I 
> decide that it's me.

"Players may not change the game state."

> > Rule 18 doesn't apply in this case, because r578 says charters can be 
> > manipulated; that means charters are regulated.  There's just no provision 
> > for their creation.
>
> Nothing even defines them. They're not in any way, shape, or form 
> regulated.

Nothing defines Wobbly Ducks in the ruleset, either.  Doesn't mean I can 
just make or them out of the blue.

> > M-Tek, fortunately, doesn't have that problem...
>
> Game precedent, if nothing else, tells us that when a type of object ceases 
> to be defined as a Game object, all instances of that object are 
> automatically destroyed.

That would only make sense if the only reason it existed was a rule that 
stated "There exists ...".  If a prop passes that states, "Create one Wobbly 
Duck, which is a Passable Carryable Object, at (3,6)", would it cease to 
exist the moment the prop finished being processed?  No.  Once it has been 
defined to exist, it exists /until some event changes that/.

> But thanks for mentioning the Entropy thing... I dictate that "A New 
> Exploitation!" modifies its charter by setting its charter's entropy to 
> zero.
>
> *Now* I win.

Too bad you aren't the charter, as stated above.

Orc in a Spacesuit

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