Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] This should do it

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 12/4/02 at 2:02 AM Rob Speer wrote:

>On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 09:33:16PM -0500, Glotmorf wrote:
>> But your proposal doesn't work.  R1219 says it can't be changed or
>repealed except by me, whereas you're changing R10 to say R1219 can be
>repealed by a proposal.  That creates a direct conflict between R1219 and
>R10, which means the Chutzpah kicks in and R1219 takes priority, no matter
>which way the ID numbers go.  And R1219 prevents the proposal from
>repealing it.
>
>Read the Chutzpah rule. The order of precedence goes like this:
>
>1. Rules explicitly stating that they take precedence or defer to other
>rules
>2. Chutzpah
>3. ID numbers
>
>(Egad - it looks like I've just described meta-chutzpah...)
>
>I've noticed a lot of blind faith in Chutzpah as the ultimate measure of
>a rule's power, and you let that affect you in making your rule.
>
>If Chutzpah had been the overriding factor, I would have modified Rule
>10 to have chutzpah 101 first.

Ah...and this is why you chose r10, because it already claims to have precedence over all other rules.  One could claim that r10 itself prevents your action, since your proposal is seeking to temporarily circumvent r1219, but the paragraph you add comes after the main text and therefore takes precedence over it.

Well, that's easy enough to fix, though I'd hoped to not have to do what I'm about to do with Chutzpah...

						Glotmorf

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