Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] It

["Baron von Skippy" <baronvonskippy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> > > > > > > > On the grounds that, "It dispenses tea or coffee!" (r1148/0, 
> > > > > > > > __IT__), I get
> > > > > > > > a hundred cups of Tea from It. I drink them all, setting my BAC to 
> > > > > > > > -100 and
> > > > > > > > my style to 100d4.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I buy the style attribute "Wired".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, it dispenses tea or coffee, but I have a plethora of reasons 
> > > > > > > why that didn't work:
> > > > > > > It does dispense, but when?  Who says it dispenses 100 right now?
> > > > > > > Where does the dispensed tea go?  Why should you be able to get some?
> > > > > > > No cups.  You need to drink a Cup of Tea, and I don't see any cups.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok, so a plethora appears to be 3.  I had more, but that about covers 
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Orc In A Spacesuit
> > > > > > > sticks his mouth on It's spout, and dispenses away
> > > > > > -Permissability of the unprohibited, my good green sir.-
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                                                   [[BvS]]
> > > > > Rule 393/0, __The All-Important Default Case__, states:
> > > > > "Players may not change the game state. This rule defers to all other 
> > > > > rules."
> > > > > I don't see the It rule allowing anybody to get a cup of coffee.  It 
> > > > > just dispenses them.  Transfering them to your possession would be a 
> > > > > change of game state.  And still, no cups.  Just rivers of tea.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know why you were Knight of the Gnome Scam.
> > > > >
> > > > > Orc in a Spacesuit
> > > > > mixes tea and coffee, and drinks it.
> > > > -Because I wrote the pricing rules that let Wonko buy Gnomes for less 
> > > > than he was ditching them for? What does THAT have to do with this?
> > > > By the way:
> > > >
> > > > Rule 18/2
> > > > Permissibility of the Unprohibited
> > > >
> > > > With the exception of Rule Changes whatever is not prohibited or 
> > > > regulated by the Ruleset is permitted and unregulated.-
> > >
> > > I would say that changes to the game state are regulated by the ruleset.  
> > > And adding a cup of coffee or tea to your inventory is a change to the 
> > > game state.  Especially if there is no 'cup' anywhere.
> > >
> > > Orc In A Spacesuit
> > > gargles some tea
> > -Champagne, then. Anyone remember how you could (maybe you still can; I 
> > don't suppose that was important enough to fix) simply grab Champagne from 
> > the air and drink of it? Those machines you see sometimes that dispense 
> > bad coffee into styrofoam cups, they "dispense coffee." One does not need 
> > to add to most listeners that they also give over a cup. The "It" rule 
> > says nowhere "It doesn't give you cups!" so I assume that it does, via the 
> > Permissibility rule.-
>
> Must we do this?
> A. You could never create new Glasses of Champagne, the CFI's stated such.
-You sure? I thought it was legal the time uin did it. Feh, this is slightly 
different enough for me to ignore your reasoning until a CFI backs it.-
> B. Yes, those machines may dispense Coffee, but you have to actually bring 
> the cup there.  And even if you could somehow summon a cup, and got It to 
> dispense coffee into the Cup, it would be a "Cup" that "has Coffee in it", 
> and not a Cup of Coffee.
-Who says I don't have a cup? I'm carrying about 30 alcoholic beverages. I 
/have/ cups. And forgive my presumption, but a cup with coffee in it is a 
Cup of Coffee according to standard usage of English.-
> C. No rule says that It does give you cups, or has cups, or create cups.
-No rule says It doesn't.-
> D. Repeat after me:  When you AssUMe, you make an Ass out of U and Me.
-Okay. When you assume, you make an ass out of you and... should be I. 
Here's one. When I assume, your As can Su Me. I'll make assumptions whenever 
I want.-
> E. Yes, It dispenses coffee, but why should you get any of it?  And why 
> should it have dispensed enough for even one cup by now?
-Because:
1) "It has been featured in Star Trek and can heat a small house"
I take this to mean it's a replicator which can make enough coffee to warm 
my house up nicely.
2) "It's a small Brazillian child trained in the art of satisfaction!"
They grow coffee in Brazil, and I would be satisfied if I had a lot of 
coffee.
3) "It's a patented method of running around in circles witout getting 
dizzy."
Well, caffine makes you hyper...
I think my point is made... oh, and I want to note that I voted against It 
becasue It is so damn ambiguous...-
> F. Can you guys give this up and give Dave a break?
-Us guys being you and me? Okay, give it up.-
> Take your pick.
-Banana.-
> Any one of those, except D and maybe F, counters your arguments.
-Nope.-
> Let alone all the stuff I've said before that has been either ignored or 
> dismissed without argument.
-Feh, you haven't disproven me. You want a definite answer? Add "It" to the 
uber-prop. Redefine It. Or get It the hell out of the rules, it's an eyesore 
with the consoling proximity of millionaires for eighty dollars a month!-
> Orc In A Spacesuit
> has no Internet, and is emailing from a lab.
[[BvS]]
[[Really should be writing a paper, but this is more interesting...]]

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