Orc In A Spacesuit on 22 Oct 2002 01:25:02 -0000


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Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] It 

From: "Baron von Skippy" <baronvonskippy@xxxxxxxxxxx>

From: "Baron von Skippy" <baronvonskippy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On the grounds that, "It dispenses tea or coffee!" (r1148/0, __IT__), I get a hundred cups of Tea from It. I drink them all, setting my BAC to -100 and 
my style to 100d4.

I buy the style attribute "Wired".
Well, it dispenses tea or coffee, but I have a plethora of reasons why that didn't work: 
It does dispense, but when?  Who says it dispenses 100 right now?
Where does the dispensed tea go?  Why should you be able to get some?
No cups.  You need to drink a Cup of Tea, and I don't see any cups.
Ok, so a plethora appears to be 3. I had more, but that about covers it. 

Orc In A Spacesuit
sticks his mouth on It's spout, and dispenses away


-Permissability of the unprohibited, my good green sir.-

                                                  [[BvS]]

Rule 393/0, __The All-Important Default Case__, states:
"Players may not change the game state. This rule defers to all other rules." I don't see the It rule allowing anybody to get a cup of coffee. It just dispenses them. Transfering them to your possession would be a change of game state. And still, no cups. Just rivers of tea. 

I know why you were Knight of the Gnome Scam.

Orc in a Spacesuit
mixes tea and coffee, and drinks it.
-Because I wrote the pricing rules that let Wonko buy Gnomes for less than he was ditching them for? What does THAT have to do with this? 
By the way:

Rule 18/2
Permissibility of the Unprohibited
With the exception of Rule Changes whatever is not prohibited or regulated by the Ruleset is permitted and unregulated.-
I would say that changes to the game state are regulated by the ruleset. And adding a cup of coffee or tea to your inventory is a change to the game state. Especially if there is no 'cup' anywhere. 

Orc In A Spacesuit
gargles some tea
-Champagne, then. Anyone remember how you could (maybe you still can; I don't suppose that was important enough to fix) simply grab Champagne from the air and drink of it? Those machines you see sometimes that dispense bad coffee into styrofoam cups, they "dispense coffee." One does not need to add to most listeners that they also give over a cup. The "It" rule says nowhere "It doesn't give you cups!" so I assume that it does, via the Permissibility rule.- 

Must we do this?
A. You could never create new Glasses of Champagne, the CFI's stated such.
B. Yes, those machines may dispense Coffee, but you have to actually bring the cup there. And even if you could somehow summon a cup, and got It to dispense coffee into the Cup, it would be a "Cup" that "has Coffee in it", and not a Cup of Coffee. 
C. No rule says that It does give you cups, or has cups, or create cups.
D. Repeat after me:  When you AssUMe, you make an Ass out of U and Me.
E. Yes, It dispenses coffee, but why should you get any of it? And why should it have dispensed enough for even one cup by now? 
F. Can you guys give this up and give Dave a break?
Take your pick. Any one of those, except D and maybe F, counters your arguments. Let alone all the stuff I've said before that has been either ignored or dismissed without argument. 

Orc In A Spacesuit
has no Internet, and is emailing from a lab.

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