Re: [spoon-discuss] fixing the societies

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On 10/20/02 at 9:37 PM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
>
> >I have a prop nearly finished to fix the societies once and for all,
> >making
> >most of them Corporations (which are not societies), and doing away with
> >all
> >the mess we have.  However, there's a bit I would like to ask the society
> >leaders about:
> >
> >Glotmorf, Prez of M-Tek: As it stands, Corporations cannot propose or
> >vote,
> >and Societies cannot vote.  Also, people must volunteer bandwidth for a
> >Society to use to propose.  You can either keep M-Tek a Society, or make
> >it
> >a Corporation.  Your pick.
>
> What do you mean, "as it stands"?  As it stands right now, there's nothing 
> that says Corporations can't propose.  I will vote against any proposal 
> that says Corporations can't propose.  It's an unnecessary restriction.

"As it stands" with the prop the way it's written now.  And think about 
Corporations voting/proposing.  Does Microsoft get a vote?  Does Microsoft 
propose anything in any lawmaking body?  No, it pays people who can lots of 
money to do so.  So if you want, have your Corporation require or encourage 
its employees to vote/propose.

> And unless you're planning to repeal r578 (which I'd also vote against), 
> you can't change M-Tek with a proposal.  That would change its charter, the 
> methods for which are regulated in r578.

First, this is a modification to r578.  Second, a proposal changes the game 
state, which includes charters.  Also, I, the player do not, so I'm not 
breaking Prohibited/Restricted rules.

> >Wonko and Glotmorf, contested Wealthy Bastards: I'm making this a
> >Corporation, and will most likely set Wonko at it's head, as e thought of
> >it, though I have considered joint ownership.  You both are Wealthy
> >Bastards, in a way, since Glotmorf has a lot o points.  But Wonko leading
> >will be most likely.
>
> It's not contested.  The current ruling is that Wonko isn't the Wealthy 
> Bastard.  Wonko has appealed, but Wonko and I now appear to be in 
> negotiation.

See below.

> >I'll get the entire draft out soon, but I wanted to go ahead and ask this
> >stuff now.
>
> I'll wait until I see this proposal.  I distrust sweeping change, 
> especially since in that belated judgment you gave you said "I don't care 
> about the details."

I wouldn't expect you to do anything but review the actual prop first, and 
distrust sweeping change; I do the same.  But take a look.  And as for "the 
details":  I kinda figured out the entire ruleset and am rewriting it, but 
the arguments you both make are so convulted, and if they are all put 
together are quite lengthy, and the whole thing is so ambiguous, I just 
threw my hands up in the air about the whole thing a while back.

Orc In A Spacesuit
expected speed bumps from this quarter

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