Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Here's how you create a society...

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> On 10/2/02 at 4:04 PM Wonko wrote:
> 
>> Quoth Glotmorf,
>> 
>>> I create the following society:
>>> 
>>> {{ _WBE_
>>> }}
>> 
>> Say, do you know what's really funny? Even if your interpretation is valid,
>> my proposal is now legal. Because it's not creating a new society, then,
>> just altering an existing one (i.e., the one you just made). And, as part
>> of
>> my proposal, I become the Wealthy Bastard.
>> 
>> Thanks, Glotmorf.
> 
> Nope, sorry.  Your proposal gets resolved as part of nweek 23, in which the
> society wasn't created; therefore there's no WBE for you to be made the
> wealthy bastard of.
> 
> Since, according to Mr. A, nweek 23 is now over and nweek 24 has not yet
> begun, my creation of a society hasn't happened yet, and won't until some time
> after you've failed to become the wealthy bastard of a nonexistent society.

How is it nonexistent? I still don't accept your argument that proposals
cannot create societies except as mentioned in your little societies rule.

But regardless of that, the proposal still works. Here's why:

Either the rule in the proposal is the proposed Charter for a society, or it
is not.

If it is, then the proposal was perfectly in accordance with your society
rule, and WBE is created, with me as the Bastard.

If it isn't, then, since it has already been decided by a couple CFIs that
effects of rules created by a proposal are not effects of the proposal
itself, the proposal is not creating a society, and your society rule does
not in any way relate to it.

I maintain that the first of these is the case. The rules say that the
Charter of a Society is the thing that contains the society's public rules.
In this case, it happens to be a rule. That's not a conflict.

But even if you refuse to admit that, you still don't have a case, as if the
first is not true, then the second is, and I'm *STILL* the Wealthy Bastard.

And your societal creation is illegal, because all game entities must have
uniquely identifying names, and the name Wealthy Bastard Enterprises is
already taken.

-- 
Wonko

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