Re: [spoon-discuss] Societies

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 6/19/02 at 2:28 PM Wonko wrote:

>Two quoted messages:
>
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>On 6/18/02 at 9:13 AM Wonko wrote:
>
>>Quoth Glotmorf,
>>
>>> {{ _Less is More: Clubs_
>>> B. Society Rules
>>>
>>> A Society may have internal rules that are binding upon its Members.
>>Internal
>>> rules defer to game rules.
>>
>>Doesn't this mean that all Internal rules must defer to the "players may
>>not
>>change the Gamestate" rule, and thus would have no power?
>
>The "players may not change the Gamestate" rule defers to all other rules,
>including this Societies rule, which explicitly says what Societies can do.
>
>                        Glotmorf
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>>
>>So, if I'm the only member of a Society, I can suggest that the Charter be
>>changed to add the sentence "At the beginning of each nday, every member
>of
>>this Club is awarded a Win.", and when I agree to my own change, I Win?
>
>Offhand I'd say being awarded a Win was a gamestate change, which is only
>permitted when the rules say.  Society Charters defer to the rules, and
>there's nothing that says a Society's Charter can award wins.
>
>                        Glotmorf
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>
>First you say that the default rule doesn't apply, then you say it does.
>Which is it?

Now now...:)  The default rule applies inasmuch as it says gamestate changes can only be made when some rule explicitly permits them.  If a Charter describes actions that the Societies rule explicitly says a Society can perform, the default rule doesn't apply.  If a Charter describes actions that the Societies rule doesn't say a Society can perform, the default rule does apply.

So if a Charter says members have to give points to each other, that's permitted, since there are rules that cover players giving points to players.  If a Charter says members can make Club Props as per such-and-such Standard Method, that's permitted, since the Societies rule permits Club Props to be made.  If a Charter says members are awarded Wins, that's not permitted, and the default case applies, since there's nothing in the rules that says anything other than point totals can cause Wins to be awarded.

So there's no conflict between those two quotes.  It is not true that Charter rules have no power, and it's not true that Charter rules can award Wins.

						Glotmorf


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