spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess

["Donald Whytock" <dwhytock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 3/11/02 at 11:28 PM David E. Smith wrote:

>The following is my one proposal for this nweek, and hopefully it'll take
>care of all the problems I've created lately.
>
>{{ __Cleaning Up My Own Damn Mess
>
>Nullify Rule 204 [[ Thou Shalt Not Screw With Time]]. Though the rule
>shall still exist, it shall have no effect until reinstated.
>
>Nullify Rule 261 [[ The PIG ]]. Though the rule shall still exist, it
>shall have no effect until reinstated.
>
>Rewrite history so that the identification numbers of all Rules,
>Proposals, and CFJs are, in fact, as they appear on the B Nomic Web site.
>[[ That cleans up the whole serial number mess. ]]

The serial number mess was at least partially my imagination; the rules don't require serial numbers be in any particular form, order or pattern at all (though I'd draw the line at base-52 Hebrew if I were you).  The other part involves "game custom", "the usual methods" and another invocation of the F-word, in that the identification numbers had been sequential integers for almost all of the other proposals and rules, and therefore, if my proposals were going to be in an unexpected and vulnerable sequencing through no fault of my own...

...Then it wouldn't be Fair.

But I'll live.  Besides, speaking out of pure self-centeredness, it looks like Wonko's Ice Gnome's the one to get et.

>Add the phrase ", assigned by the Administrator." to the end of the first
>sentence of Rule 5.
>
>Add the sentence "Identification numbers shall be assigned in ascending
>integral order." to the end of the first paragraph of Rule 5.

What if, in a proposal creating a rule, it is said that the rule being created should get such-and-such an identifying number?  Does a proposal take precedence over a rule?  I'd like to see an exception to this built in.

>Remove the last sentence of the first paragraph of Rule 17.
>
>Add the sentences "Though the Administrator shall strive to make all
>recognitions and refusals thereof in chronological order, e is not bound
>to do so. Recognitions may only occur in Public Fora." to the end of the
>first paragraph of Rule 17. [[ This permits me to be human. I'm a big fan
>of that. ]]

There's a reason for r17 being written the way it is: If Action A can affect Action B, but Action A isn't recognized before Action B, then the fact that Action B couldn't be legally recognized makes the game state retrofit a bit more legitimate (if not less painful).

There's a simpler solution below.

>If the Proposal Ingesting Gremlin consumed any proposals in the last
>three ndays, that proposal shall be reinstated as though the PIG were
>in Hiding at the time it ate said proposal.
>
>Replace the text of Rule 10 with the following:
>
>{{
>
>All game entities and the Administrator must abide by all the Rules in
>effect, in the form in which they are in effect. No Proposal may attempt
>to temporarily circumvent the Rules. No Game Action may circumvent or
>repress the Rules at any time. This Rule shall always take precedence over
>all other Rules. No Proposal may modify this Rule unless said Proposal
>receives a 2/3 or greater plurality of affirmative votes.
>
>}}
>
>[[ When the above is created, the temporary suppression of Rules 204 and
>261 shall immediately cease, as it becomes illegal. Also, makes it a bit
>harder to try sneaky stuff like what I'm doing above. ]]

"modify or take precedence over" might be better.  After all, there might be some circumstance short of an r0-grade Emergency that requires it.

>Give ten points to Glotmorf. Give The Administrator the Title "Glotmorf's
>Personal Bitch" for a duration of one nday.

I appreciate the gesture, but my swing only goes in one direction. :)

>}}
>
>Recognized as 461/0.

See...you still can't do that because all the stuff you recognized before belatedly recognizing my stuff was unrecognized, and has to be re-recognized before anything new can be recognized.

May I suggest you post the following to spoon-business?

"I hereby re-recognize anything mistakenly recognized previously, in the order it appeared on spoon-business, using the same serial numbers originally assigned."

I think that'll do it. :)  We can work out the rest later.

						Glotmorf