Re: [s-b] [s-d] black corp what?

[Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well, if we're going on the assumption that C Nomic isn't already full of
copies of the Objects in B Nomic, what if something is legal in one nomic
and illegal in another? Now that the business forum is a business forum for
both B and C nomic, I think I'll use it:

I submit the following Transaction:
BEGIN TRANSACTION
The name of this game is C Nomic.
I request to become a Player, specifying the name of Ty-Guy6.
 I assign the Ministry of Law to myself, specifying a reward value of m100. I
assign the Ministry of Change to myself, specifying a reward value of m100. I
assign the Ministry of Questions to myself, specifying a reward value of
m100. I assign the Ministry of Society to myself, specifying a reward value
of m100. I assign the Ministry of Ministries to myself, specifying a reward
value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Time to myself, specifying a reward
value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Laundry to myself, specifying a
reward value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Fauna to myself, specifying a
reward value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Business to myself,
specifying a reward value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Judging to
myself, specifying a reward value of m100. I assign the Ministry of Games to
myself, specifying a reward value of m100.
END TRANSACTION

Now when a change happens in C Nomic, it happens in B Nomic, so I have all
your Ministries, no?
Oh, and BTW, what time is the C Nomic clock set to? There isn't a rule to
initialize it.



On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Phil Ulrich <phil.ulrich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It can't be dead from the start unless B was too: any changes in B's
> gamestate occur simultaneously in C's gamestate, and C when it was
> created was identical to B. So it exists, but it's more like a
> conjoined twin than a dead game.
>
> That said, does it need an officially-declared set of fora? I think
> so. Obviously fora exist (being as how they're anything that allows
> members of a nomic to communicate), but the specific fora in use are
> not covered by the rules. One could argue that the fora themselves are
> part of the gamestate, and thus C acquired B's fora at the moment rule
> 4E83 came into existence to make it so, but I think it's best not to
> rely on ambiguities and instead to apply certainty where possible.
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I'm not familiar with how nomics are started, but I think there is a
> major
> > problem with this. C nomic already exists, theoretically, but it has
> nothing
> > but the ruleset. No players, no public forums (although forums exist), no
> > MoM, Chairman, etc. You can't submit proposals in a nomic you aren't
> > represented in by a player, and you can't become a player without a
> public
> > forum to do so in. And the proposal you've just submitted is only in B
> > Nomic, (I'm not sure about this one) so it can't change the state of C
> > Nomic. I'm thinking that C Nomic was dead from the start. Does any of
> > that make sense?
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Jamie Dallaire <
> bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >
> >> And... I set the Color of this Proposal to Black.
> >>
> >> BP
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Jamie Dallaire <
> bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > hmmm, I was going to ask the question, but then I'd like to be the
> >> Priest.
> >> > So, instead, I'm going to use a Proposal. PS my line of reasoning
> would
> >> be
> >> > that C exists as a nomic but that the statement that the two nomics
> are
> >> > identical is currently contradicted (and superceded because of rule
> >> number)
> >> > by the rule that disallows creation of Game Objects except as
> specified
> >> by
> >> > the rules. Also any claim that if C is empty of game objects and B is
> >> > identical to it, then B must also be empty, is wrong because B's game
> >> > objects were no more legally destroyed than C's were created. So:
> >> >
> >> > I submit the following Proposal, entitled "Give C Game Objects!":
> >> > {
> >> > Set the state of C Nomic to be exactly identical (save for the nomic's
> >> > name) to that of B Nomic. If this includes the creation or
> modification
> >> of
> >> > Game Objects, these are to be created or modified accordingly.
> >> > }
> >> >
> >> > Billy Pilgrim
> >> >
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