Re: [eia] [escrow] Battle of Florence, October 1807

[Michael Gorman <mpgorman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 05:50 PM 2/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> Not Florence, Turin, of course.
>
> BTW, I assume that the garrison/PP issue, at least for a victory, is
> resolved and that Austria, Britain, and Turkey each gain +1 PP for the
> relief of Florence ?
>
> On the question of whether a garrison-only owner should lose PPs in the
> event of a defeat, we seem to have 3 (Kyle, J.J., Jim) who say that he
> should lose PPs, and 1 so far (Joel) who says he should not lose any.
> Please correct and excuse me if I have misrepresented anyone.  What do the
> rest of you (Everett, Danny, Mike) think about it ?
>
> -JJY
        As far as I can see, everyone on the losing side loses political 
points and everyone on the winning side gains them.  So unless a garrison 
is not considered to be on a side, I would think having a garrison there 
makes you part of the battle and thus a party to the gained or lost points 
from being there.  Trivial combats and garrison attacks make a point of 
being an exception to the field combat political point losses but relief 
battles follow the same rules as normal field battles and there is no 
mention at all of whether or not you have a corps present in determining if 
you are a part of the winning or losing side.
        I can't find the rule saying that a defender with just a garrison 
loses no points.  Trivial combats cause no political point changes when one 
side is entirely garrison, but that's different from a garrison and a corps 
fighting together on one side.  As far as I can find, the entire rule for 
this is 7.5.2.10.1.3 and it uses one declaration for both the victor and 
the loser, each corps on the defeated side causes a half a political point 
gain or loss.  A relief battle specifically involves political point 
changes and specifically allows garrison factors in the city to 
participate.  So it seems clear that they are considered part of the battle.

Mike


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