Re: [eia] Spanish Land Phase, 2/07

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

    JJ is exactly right.  We did have a lengthy discussion about this issue
once before.  And, at the time, we decided that the term "garrison" for the
purposes of supply refers to all the factors inside a besieged city,
regardless of how they may or may not be organized into corps.  This ruling
was in accordance with the prevailing opinion of the online EiA/EiH
community.  (Although there is conflicting language in the rules, the rule
that supports this view is 7.3.3.3.2 which reads: "Corps may form all or
part of a city garrision without detaching army factors....")

    So the implication of the rules under that interpretation would seem to
be that the entire garrison can eat for $0.5.  (And I seem to recall JJ
using this rule to his advantage in the Italian campaign back in 1805, but I
could be mistaken.)

    I have some sympathy for Joel's objection that it should not be cheaper
to feed a besieged army than it is to feed an army in the field, but at the
end of the day, I'm not sure I agree with it.  (An army in the field is
spread out over much larger distances and is, therefore, harder to supply
than an army holed up in a city.  The more localized the army is, the easier
it is to feed.)

    In any case, my final opinion is that Spain's orders are correct: Spain
can feed the entire garrison at Algiers for $0.5.  However, I wouldn't be
surprised if there were differences of opinion.

kdh


----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Spanish Land Phase, 2/07


> The definition of "garrison" for a besieged city comes into play for paid
> supply, and also for besieged forage rolls.  We already had a lengthy
rules
> discussion back in the first months of the game about whether each corps,
> and the "garrison" factors not in a corps, should each roll separately for
> besieged forage.  That was what I argued at the time, but the group
decided
> against me, that there should be only one forage roll for all the factors
in
> a besieged city.
>
> It seems to me that the same principle is the issue here.  Do all the
> factors in a besieged city count as one city garrison for paid
supply/forage
> roll, or do you have to make multiple forage rolls or pay supply
separately
> for each corps/garrison ?
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Spanish Land Phase, 2/07
>
>
> > Thus spake "J.J. Young":
> > > Not that it makes a difference to Spain's total cost for the turn, but
> does
> > > it cost just $0.5 to supply all the forces in a besieged city, or does
> it
> > > cost a separate $0.5 for each corps, and for the 1 M garrison ?
> > >
> > > I guess I'm asking what we decided the definition of "garrison" is.
Is
> it
> > > all of the forces inside a besieged city, or just the factors not in a
> corps
> > > ?
> > >
> > > -JJY
> >
> > If my memory serves me, corps aren't referred to as garrisons anywhere
in
> > the rules. Besides, being besieged shouldn't reduce the cost for supply.
> >
> > --
> > J.
> >
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