Re: [eia] Turkish Land Phase, February 1807

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Having thought about it a bit, I have concluded that Joel is correctly
interpreting the literal meaning of rule 7.3.5, but that that meaning is
nonsense and is probably a mistake.

It makes no sense to say that the dockyards where troops disembark from a
fleet is located outside of the city.  If this was so, then fleets would
have to leave a port area when the _area_ was occupied by an enemy, instead
of when the _city_ is occupied by an enemy (6.2.6).  This rule makes it
clear that the Spanish fleet, which the Cavalry corps is embarked on right
now, is located in the city and not the area.

Another example: if a fleet carrying troops moved into a port, and then that
port was blockaded by an enemy fleet later in the naval phase, the troops
are not prevented from disembarking just because the fleet carrying them is
prevented from going to the area outside to drop them off.  I think it is
clear that a fleet in a port area is intended to be in the city, not the
area outside.  And therefore any corps transported by a fleet to the port
should be allowed to disembark.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Turkish Land Phase, February 1807


> Hmmm.  What does everyone else think of this interpretation ?
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Turkish Land Phase, February 1807
>
>
> > Thus spake "J.J. Young":
> > > So, am I interpreting the rules correctly, that the Spanish cavalry
> corps
> > > has not yet disembarked, and is still on the ships in Algiers harbor,
> rather
> > > than being part of the city garrison ?
> > >
> > > If this is the case (and I'm not giving anything away here, because
> there
> > > are no choices involved), then if the city is captured, then the fleet
> must
> > > move out to the Algiers blockade box, or the sea space off the coast.
> The
> > > cavalry corps, then, _must_ land in an adjacent land area on the
Spanish
> > > land phase, or demobilize.
> > >
> > > I'm referencing rules 7.3.5 and 6.2.6.
> > >
> > > -JJY
> >
> > I think Spain is in that situation regardless. 7.3.5 says that "Corps
> being
> > transported on fleets that moved into a port must disembark in the
port's
> > area." This doesn't say "into the port". I realize that there's a case
to
> > be made for a port being in its area, but if both were options, I expect
> > they would have said "into the port or its area" instead. And there are
> > already clear cases of prohibition on defenders in besieged cities being
> > reinforced, e.g., 5.2.2.2.1 and 5.2.2.2.2 disallow the placement of new
> > factors in besieged corps and garrisons, regardless of their presence in
> an
> > unblockaded port. So I believe Spain's options are 1) disembark into the
> > area, which initiates a battle with the Tunisians, or 2) disband.
> >
> > --
> > J.
> >
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