James Helle on 17 Nov 2002 17:56:02 -0000


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Re: [eia] restricting limited access


Seems like a good rule to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle H
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:22 AM
Subject: [eia] restricting limited access

    Mike,
    Thanks for putting us all on the same page by referring to the relevant rules.  These rules show that I was definitely wrong when I said that there are no restrictions on placing depots.  (However, I stand by my statement about tracing supply; if a depot already exists, you are free to use it no matter what.)
 
    So let's define the problem once again: the consensus is that it doesn't make sense for a victorious enemy to be able to prosecute wars against allied defenders within the surrendering power's territory after a peace treaty has been signed.  Now some people may not have a problem with this at all.  But assuming that this is something that we wish to restrict, it seems to me that the best way to do it is not to limit the victorious forces' exit paths, their ability to trace supply, or their ability to place new depots.  All of these ways of solving the problem will create other problems.  If what we want to do is restrict victorious forces from attacking allied defenders within the surrendering power's territory, then what's wrong with just adding that condition explicitly as a House Rule?  It might look something like this:
 
Proposed House Rule: Limited Access.  Rule 12.4 indicates that victorious powers have 'limited access' to the territory of the surrendering power after a peace treaty is signed.  [Note: if an informal peace is made between 2 powers, then there need not be a 'surrendering' power and a 'victorious' power.  However, I will continue to use these terms as a matter of convenience.]  The access is limited in the sense that any garrisons still in the surrendering power's territory 3 full months after the peace treaty will automatically be decommissioned, and any corps/fleets still in the surrendering power's territory 6 full months after the peace treaty will also be automatically decommissioned. 
    This House Rule adds an additional restriction to limited access: victorious corps may not engage in battle (of any kind) in territory* controlled by the surrendering power during the period of limited access unless voluntary access is granted by the surrendering power or war is declared again between the victorious power and the surrendering power.  This means that victorious garrisons, corps, and fleets cannot attack or be attacked while in the surrending power's territory.  If victorious forces are still at war with another power that is also in the surrendering power's territory, these forces are considered to be under a flag of temporary truce.  (That is, treat them as if they are not enemies while in the surrendering power's territory during limited access.) 
    These are the only restrictions imposed by the limited access mentioned in Rule 12.4.
 
* Territory controlled by the surrendering power includes land spaces, city spaces, ports, and blockade boxes.
 
I think this House Rule is better targetted toward doing what we want it to do without producing unwanted side effects.  The only thing to notice about this rule is that if victorious forces cannot attack enemy forces, then it follows that they cannot be attacked, either.  (Why should the victorious corps be restricted from attacking its enemy if the enemy is not similarly restricted?)  I don't see this as a major problem, though.
 
This is my attempt to solve the problem with a minimum of unpleasant side-effects.  Let me know if you foresee a side-effect that I haven't.
 
kdh
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [eia] referendum on 2 House Rules adopted in a previous campaign

7.2.3.3.1: New depots as part of a supply chain may not be placed in a minor neutral unless the major power is at war with the neutral and may only be placed in the territory of another major power if given access permission by, at war with, or having imposed victory condition C.5 (see 4.5.2) on that major power.

[ 12.4 ] * PEACE TREATY LIMITED ACCESS: This option supersedes the force repatriation rules in 4.4.6.2 and forces are not repatriated when peace is made. Instead, when peace is made, the former enemies have a period of automatic "limited access" to get their forces out of the former enemy power's territory.
12.4.1 GARRISONS: By the end of three Land Phases after peace is made, all garrison factors must be out of the other major power's cities. In the case of a victor that chose peace condition C.5, the requirement is reduced to getting garrisons out of the capital cities during this period.
12.4.2 CORPS, FLEETS AND DEPOTS: By the end of six Land Phases after peace is made, all corps, fleets, depots and depot garrison factors must be out of the other major power's territory.

If we accept that this access grants permission to add new depots and not just to remove them, then you could build depots in an enemy territory so long as they are gone by the end of 6 months.

Mike