----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:22
AM
Subject: [eia] restricting limited
access
Mike,
Thanks for putting us all on
the same page by referring to the relevant rules. These rules show that
I was definitely wrong when I said that there are no restrictions on placing
depots. (However, I stand by my statement about tracing supply; if a
depot already exists, you are free to use it no matter what.)
So let's define the problem
once again: the consensus is that it doesn't make sense for a
victorious enemy to be able to prosecute wars against allied
defenders within the surrendering power's territory after a peace
treaty has been signed. Now some people may not have a problem with this
at all. But assuming that this is something that we wish
to restrict, it seems to me that the best way to do it is not to
limit the victorious forces' exit paths, their ability to trace
supply, or their ability to place new depots. All of
these ways of solving the problem will create other problems. If
what we want to do is restrict victorious forces from attacking allied
defenders within the surrendering power's territory, then what's wrong with
just adding that condition explicitly as a House Rule? It might look
something like this:
Proposed House Rule: Limited
Access. Rule 12.4 indicates that victorious powers have 'limited
access' to the territory of the surrendering power after a peace treaty is
signed. [Note: if an informal peace is made between 2 powers, then there
need not be a 'surrendering' power and a 'victorious' power. However, I
will continue to use these terms as a matter of convenience.] The access
is limited in the sense that any garrisons still in the surrendering power's
territory 3 full months after the peace treaty will automatically be
decommissioned, and any corps/fleets still in the surrendering power's
territory 6 full months after the peace treaty will also be automatically
decommissioned.
This House Rule adds an
additional restriction to limited access: victorious corps may not engage
in battle (of any kind) in territory* controlled by the surrendering
power during the period of limited access unless voluntary access is granted
by the surrendering power or war is declared again between
the victorious power and the surrendering power. This
means that victorious garrisons, corps, and fleets cannot attack or be
attacked while in the surrending power's territory. If victorious forces
are still at war with another power that is also in the surrendering power's
territory, these forces are considered to be under a flag of temporary
truce. (That is, treat them as if they are not enemies while in the
surrendering power's territory during limited access.)
These are the only
restrictions imposed by the limited access mentioned in Rule
12.4.
* Territory controlled by the surrendering power
includes land spaces, city spaces, ports, and blockade boxes.
I think this House Rule is better targetted
toward doing what we want it to do without producing unwanted side
effects. The only thing to notice about this rule is that if victorious
forces cannot attack enemy forces, then it follows that they cannot be
attacked, either. (Why should the victorious corps be restricted from
attacking its enemy if the enemy is not similarly restricted?) I don't
see this as a major problem, though.
This is my attempt to solve the problem with a
minimum of unpleasant side-effects. Let me know if you foresee a
side-effect that I haven't.
kdh
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:33
AM
Subject: Re: [eia] referendum on 2
House Rules adopted in a previous campaign
7.2.3.3.1:
New depots as part of a supply chain may not be placed in a minor neutral
unless the major power is at war with the neutral and may only be placed in
the territory of another major power if given access permission by, at war
with, or having imposed victory condition C.5 (see 4.5.2) on that major power.
[ 12.4 ] *
PEACE TREATY LIMITED ACCESS: This option supersedes the force
repatriation rules in 4.4.6.2 and forces
are not repatriated when peace is made. Instead, when peace is made, the
former enemies have a period of automatic "limited access" to get their
forces out of the former enemy power's territory.
12.4.1 GARRISONS:
By the end of three Land Phases after peace is made, all garrison
factors must be out of the other major power's cities. In the case of a
victor that chose peace condition C.5, the requirement is reduced to getting
garrisons out of the capital cities during this period.
12.4.2 CORPS,
FLEETS AND DEPOTS: By the end of six Land Phases after peace is made,
all corps, fleets, depots and depot garrison factors must be out of the
other major power's territory.
If we accept that this access grants
permission to add new depots and not just to remove them, then you could
build depots in an enemy territory so long as they are gone by the end of 6
months.
Mike